Yale Daily News

Early admit rate rises slightly

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Yale College accepted 13.9 percent of its early action applicants for the class of 2014, up sightly from last year's record low of 13.4 percent, according to the Office of Undergraduate Admissions.

Of the 5,261 early applicants, 730 students were notified of their admission Tuesday. A total of 1,866 applicants were denied admission, while 2,639 students were deferred to the regular decision round. The 50.2 percent of applicants deferred this year is up slightly from the 47.6 deferred last year.

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“Our applicants continue to be an exceptionally talented, highly diverse group of students,” Dean of Undergraduate Admissions Jeff Brenzel said in an e-mail. “As always, we only accepted students that we were certain we would also accept in the spring, meaning that a significant number of the deferred students have equally strong chances of admission as the regular decision applicants.”

Other Ivy League schools that have released their early admissions decisions include Columbia University and Cornell University, which admitted 21 percent and 32.6 percent of their early applicants, respectively. Dartmouth College accepted 28.8 percent of its early pool, while Brown offered admission to 20 percent of early applicants. The University of Pennsylvania notified early decision applicants on Dec. 11 but has yet to release data on the number of admitted students.

Stanford University accepted 13.5 percent of its early action students.

The slight rise in this year’s early admit rate is proving to be little consolation for college counselors nationwide who are waiting to hear from students who applied to Yale’s non-binding early action program this year.

Alice Kleeman, a college advisor at Menlo-Atherton High School outside San Francisco, said she does not think the slight rise in early acceptances to Yale suggests a particular trend.

“It seems like situation is pretty much the same as last year,” added Leonard King, director of college counseling at the Maret School in Washington.

Still, Sari Rauscher, director of college counseling at the Waterford School in Sandy, Utah, said the small rise in this year’s early admit rate may be a sign that the competition among early applicants has bottomed out.

Liang Yu, an early admit from South Africa, said she has decided she will definitely accept Yale’s offer. A prospective science major, Yu said she is now planning her transition to college and may attend Bulldog Days in April next year.

For 4,531 other early applicants, though, the news has been less promising. Angela Zhou, an international applicant from New Zealand, said her deferral has left her asking herself whether she would be a good fit for Yale.

“It kind of feels like when you tell someone you like them but they don’t respond back with the same enthusiasm,” she said.

Deferred applicants and regular decision applicants will receive notification of their admissions decisions on April 1.

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None 2 years, 2 months ago

Looks like we're falling behind Stanford more and more every year...

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None 2 years, 2 months ago

a yalie would never post that. check all the latest rankings babe, we're doing just fine.

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None 2 years, 2 months ago

@ #4

No, not necessarily. Yield is also important. The chances that everyone of the early admits actually comes to Yale is 0. Some admits will inevitably choose other schools so that in reality only about a third of the Class of 2014 will be made up of EA applicants.

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None 2 years, 1 month ago

@ #5

Add 730 initial early pool admits to 150 early pool applicants admitted after deferral, and you get 880. Based on recent statistics, 85% of these early pool admits will matriculate. Thus, roughly 748 of the Class of 2014 will have been early pool applicants. At most, there will be 1,320 members of the Class, so that 57% of them will have come from the 5,235 in the early pool, with only 43% coming from the estimated 20,000+ "regular" applicants.

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None 2 years, 2 months ago

It looks like over half the Class of 2014 will be made up of early pool applicants. 730 have already been admitted for a class of 1,300 or so, and 2,600 early applicants were deferred to the regular pool, from whence a minimum of 125-150 of them will subsequently be admitted.

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None 2 years, 2 months ago

Stanford kid, nice try. Next time, don't pretend to be one of us. And, besides, the percentage of applicants admitted isn't everything... SAT range, GPA range are at least as important (hence why Caltech is great despite higher admit rate).

I can't believe I just responded to this stupid stuff...

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None 2 years, 1 month ago

It's time to throw off the crutch and go toe-to-toe with Harvard and Princeton. Initial results will be bad, but we're not going to compete if we don't have the raw and terrifying numbers (e.g. 85% of Harvard R.D. cross-admits reject Yale) to motivate reform. Right now we just look like huge sissies.

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None 2 years, 1 month ago

The numbers aren't really that terrifying. It's about 55/45 Harvard/Yale among cross-admits.

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None 2 years, 1 month ago

cares.

why not be content in the fact that yale's a good school, and stop worrying about comparing us to whatever other ivy?

besides, here's a secret: whether you go to yale, harvard, or the community college down the road, your identity shouldn't be wrapped up so tightly in the prestige of the institution. don't measure your worth by the low admit rates of a college that accepts you.

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None 2 years, 1 month ago

hahaha @y11. You should know that the term sissies is forbidden from use within Yale culture. Try to be more sensitive next time?

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None 2 years, 1 month ago

Get back to studying!

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None 2 years, 1 month ago

Any citation for that claim?

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None 2 years, 1 month ago

Y11, those 85% of cross admits who turn us down for Harvard are the reason I decided to come here as a cross-admit. You don't want those kids to come here, trust me. Four years with those kid would make me want to jump off the Q Bridge.

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None 2 years, 1 month ago

Actually the early pool admits will make up about 57% of the class when all is said and done: 750 out of 5,235 applicants. The remaining 575 seats will be filled from a regular applicant pool that may approach 20,000.

Get the math?

Yale favors the early pool because more than 80% of them will enroll, whereas only 50% or so of the “regular” applicants will pick Yale over some other choice they have.

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None 2 years, 1 month ago

Don't you have better things to do?! Why are you here pretending to be Yale alums? Anyway, the most recent available cross admit figure is 65-35.

http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2006/09/17/weekinreview/20060917_LEONHARDT_CHART.html

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None 2 years, 1 month ago

@Cross-Admit: Whatever their number, their loss. But keep in mind that not every x-admit even ends up at an Ivy - lots of those kids get serious merit-based money at other schools, and some of them take it.

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None 2 years, 1 month ago

While by far the greatest number of cross-admit losses are to Harvard, Stanford and Princeton, it is certainly true that we lose recruited athletes to Stanford, Duke and a few other places where they are given a full-ride.

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None 2 years, 1 month ago

Please don't pull the "if they went to Harvard over Yale for the name, then I wouldn't WANT them here anyway" crap. We were all naive prefrosh once, and plenty of people chose Yale for the wrong reasons too. There's nothing wrong with trying to get more cross-admits.

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None 2 years, 1 month ago

I am interested in that how many students will reject the admit and go to other universities.

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None 2 years, 1 month ago

People need to stop citing that NY Times "study"... it's a survey of high school seniors, not a record of decisions made after getting into both schools and having to choose between them. The 65-35 is not at all reflective of H-Y cross-admit data.

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None 2 years, 1 month ago

What do you know about H-Y cross admit data, and what is the source of your information?

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None 2 years, 1 month ago

i also agree with the above posters that it is very disheartening to see our once great school fall behind in acceptance rate and yield so consistently to other top schools like stanford. things could get better in the future though.

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None 2 years, 1 month ago

Some of the comments are uninformed. For the last few years, Yale has consistently had the lowest admit rate of any school (probably in history). Its yield rate has trailed only Harvard -- until last year, when Stanford was slightly higher. Head-to-head, Yale loses to Harvard by a declining margin and easily beats everyone else except MIT (which get a majority of the science overlaps) and, in the last couple of years, Stanford (with which it splits overlaps about 50-50). That is outstanding -- our "once great school" is plainly still very great even if not unambiguously the #1 most sought-after. (And the competition with Stanford is a bit unfair because there are no other top flight undergraduate universities in the West or in warm weather climates, so Stanford gets all who prefer those, while H-Y-P and MIT split the rest.)

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None 2 years, 1 month ago

"Head-to-head, Yale loses to Harvard by a declining margin ..."

Do you have any citation to support this claim? The difference in yield rates seems to be as wide as ever.

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None 2 years, 1 month ago

the difference in yield rates (less than 10%) is much lower than it was 10 or even 5 years ago (when it was closer to 20%), although the difference for the class of '13 was a bit higher than that for the class of '12

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None 2 years, 1 month ago

"Y13" and most other YDN comments discouraging EA and yield rates, etc. are pseudonyms of one "NYCFan." Read about him here - His own alma mater called him out. http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2005/12/6/net-effects-harvard-is-no-stranger/

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None 2 years, 1 month ago

Your yield rate claims are not true. The spread is pretty much the same as it has ever been, and the Yale rate has declined a bit in each of the last 4 years, even though it has an early admissions program, which Princeton and Harvard don't rely on. What is the basis for your claim that "head to head, Yale is losing cross admits to Harvard by a declining margin"?

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None 2 years, 1 month ago

The previous comments could have come directly out of the "Daily Princetonian", where they obsess about this sort of thing ad nauseum.

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None 2 years, 1 month ago

The college choice data show what those data have shown for many years -- an unambiguous ranking of appeal to applicants of Harvard and Yale as ## 1 and 2. The Stanford-Yale and H-Y gaps are less than they used to be.

29 has the implication of early action backwards: Because Y has it while H and P do not, H and P are less likely to draw apps from and admit students who really prefer Y (because those students are less likely to apply to H or P after they have been admitted to Y); so the current arrangement artificially increases the H and P yield rates relative to Y's.

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None 2 years, 1 month ago

I am one of those 730 students.

As for overlap, I'm not even applying to Harvard because, after visiting both, I find it just isn't for me.

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None 2 years, 1 month ago

Found a better link: http://college.mychances.net/tools/college-choice-matrix.php?list[]=544&list[]=3&list[]=1737&list[]=1034&list[]=762

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None 2 years, 1 month ago

You make several absolutely preposterous statements.

This new "revealed preferance" type projection is 71-29% in Harvard's favor on 2009 data, vs. 65-35% in Harvard's favor on the 2000 RP survey projection.

In fact, we know (via a contemporary Yale Herald article) that the REAL cross-admit ratio in 2000 was 83-17% in Harvard's favor; it is very likely that the actual ratio is similar today, as the formula understates the head to head differences between schools with a large cross admit pool.

Dropping early admissions programs hardly "artificially increases" Harvard and Princeton yield rates! The very purpose of offering early programs is to enhance yield! If Yale and Stanford dropped their yield-boosting early programs, their yield rates would drop by between 4-6% at a minimum. Yale's would probably drop by a larger margin, is its overlap pool with Harvard would swell, and it chronically loses between 70 and 80% of the cross admits.

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None 2 years, 1 month ago

It's hardly surprising that posters #35 and #38, who were admitted Early Action and Early Decision respectively, are big supporters of the early admissions game. They were among the small minority of "winners" in a game where 87% of the applicants are losers.

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None 2 years, 1 month ago

Historically, about 88% of the Single Choice Early Action Admits such as yourself agree to matriculate at Yale, and most do not bother to apply elsewhere. Yale counts on the SCEA admits to fill nearly half the class each year.

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None 2 years ago

@39 - If you read my post carefully, you would have seen that I made no comment supporting early admissions.

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None 2 years, 1 month ago

@Y'14 - I agree with you completely. I applied ED back in 2001. I had backup applications ready for Stanford and my local state school. I had visited Harvard and the other top East Coast and West Coast colleges, but they didn't hold my interest.

Is Yale the best? Who cares! I felt that it would be the best for me. In retrospect, I am extraordinarily pleased with that decision.

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None 2 years, 1 month ago

But it seems to show Harvard gets 71% vs Yale and higher against Peinceton and Stanford in whatever year it related to.

http://college.mychances.net/tools/college-choice-matrix.php?list[]=544&list[]=3&list[]=1737&list[]=1034&list[]=762

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