Csar, Kamdar and Slade: Lux et Veritas et Gmail
Csar, Kamdar and Slade: Lux et Veritas et Gmail
Thursday, February 11, 2010
We rely on e-mail for almost everything. It is a means for organizing events, raising awareness, communicating official announcements and has become a constant presence in every member of the Yale community’s life. As such, radical changes to this system, such as the recently reported potential switch to a system hosted by Google, deserve full debate. Though the Gmail-based system may confer many advantages, it does not excuse the opacity that has characterized the transition process so far. The level of frustration with Yale’s current e-mail service is undeniably high — many students long for something better, and Gmail is one possibility. The substantial fraction of undergraduates who currently forward their Yale e-mail to a Gmail account will likely welcome a transition to Gmail. But even if many students will welcome Gmail, such a dramatic change should only happen as part of a transparent process with open dialogue including all stakeholders.
The current picture of the proposed transition leaves many crucial questions unanswered.
We understand that Google will not be charging the University, for instance, but we wonder what Google is getting in return for their generosity — besides access to our e-mail, that is. Without a transparent planning processes, in which students can ask questions like these, it is difficult not to be at least a little suspicious.
Students who use Gmail for their Yale e-mail are currently making individual choices, are free to weigh their concerns against Gmail’s manifest benefits. Indeed, we chose to write this piece using Google Docs. When Gmail takes over the entire student e-mail system, however, these individual concerns rightly become concerns of the institution. The collective worries of faculty, staff and students therefore should be addressed before Yale officially commits to Gmail.
And for all the benefits of Gmail, there are some very real concerns. As students, we need to know that Yale has signed a contract with Google guaranteeing certain provisions. Right now, the transition to Gmail depends on Google’s generosity to provide this service without cost or advertisements. If Google decides to charge in the future, what are the ramifications for Yale? We have not heard how much control, if any, ITS and the University will have over backups, data security and migration. We don’t know where the Gmail servers will be located and what privacy protections legally apply in that jurisdiction. At Brown, for instance, mail can be stored in “datacenters outside the borders of the United States” according to the university’s Web site. In addition, no one has told us how much access Google and its data mining algorithms will have to Yale e-mail. Even if Google and ITS do have all the answers, we are entitled to at least ask the questions.
In addition, Google is fallible. Over the last eight months, Gmail has experienced six outages, some of them prolonged. And Google’s only compensation — even for paying customers — is free days of service. What mechanisms does Yale have in place to deal with the outages? Moreover, how can we be sure that Gmail won’t accidentally put e-mail into the wrong inboxes, as it did during the Brown University Gmail transition?
Only a transparent process will let students know. That is why we call on the administration to establish an open dialogue before ITS commits to a timeline for outsourcing the e-mail of current and future students. Even if it is a forgone conclusion that Yale will make the switch, there is no compelling reason to draw the curtains and shut out the concerns of the people that will use the system every day. E-mail is simply too important for secrecy. With Lux et Veritas as its motto, Yale should understand the value of shedding light on the change.
Christian Csar and Francesca Slade are the co-presidents of Yale Undergraduate Computing Organization and seniors in Silliman and Pierson Colleges, respectively. Adi Kamdar is a sophomore in Calhoun College and the president of Yale Students for Free Culture.


Comments
None 2 years, 3 months ago
Thus, when a large percentage of the campus forwards their Yale mail (Gmail or Horde) to their personal Gmail...
rah rah fight the powah
None 2 years, 3 months ago
Great article. I hope the administration sees this and takes it into consideration.
None 2 years, 3 months ago
wait.. at what point did Yale say that Google will host email free of charge?
None 2 years, 3 months ago
We are a small company and are grappling with the same issue. 1. We do not understand how much info google's readers get from our mails 2. What happens when there is a failure.
Without a proper answer to this question, it seems probable that Gmail can not be used by people with a commercial or a serious intent.
Perhaps, it is a mistake Yale has done if these questions are not answered.
The other concern about MS office obsession being replaced by Google Docs or any such google app I believe is misplaced as people learn pretty fast.
None 2 years, 3 months ago
IT Guy: No. If a Yale student uses standard client encryption (IMAP and SMTP over SSL, or an HTTPS webmail URL) to communicate via email with another Yale student doing the same thing - which I presume is the standard use case - then only Yale email system administrators have access to the cleartext. Not the government (unless they have a mole on Whitney Avenue) and not anyone's ISP.
With Gmail this would expand from a handful of known Yale staff, into an unknown but certainly far, far larger number of Google employees and contractors potentially located all over the world. Additionally, it is well-known that Google uses automated systems to do lexical analysis of email messages for ad targeting and research purposes. How much confidence do you have in the irreversibility of their aggregation process? Why? It's proprietary and neither you nor the university has any way of knowing what's going on.
None 2 years, 3 months ago
If you want to know what's in it for Google. Read the Google Apps for Education end user license agreement.
From the Google Apps for Education End User License Agreement
3.4 No Fees. Google may charge a fee for the Services after the initial term (4 years), and may charge a fee for new functionality or optional enhancements that may be added by Google to the Service. Google may also offer a premium version of the Services for a fee.
Google has reserved the right to charge for Google Apps for Education after the initial four year service agreement. And, it's naive to think they won't do it.
None 2 years, 3 months ago
Two points. 1. Do you realize how much time and money go into trying to keep an email server operational? And factor in the scale of the University.
None 2 years, 3 months ago
If you want to learn more about how using Google undermines your rights over the long term, read:
http://www.brainlink.com/news/150/24/InfoSecurity-Issue-6----DATA-LEAK-Googling-AWAY-your-Security-and-Privacy.html
and
http://www.brainlink.com/news/138/24/Is-Your-Company-Googling-its-Security-and-Privacy-Away-Raj-Goel-investigates.html
So far, ECPA has protected email privacy (to some extent). Gmail usage erodes that protection completely.
None 2 years, 3 months ago
"level of frustration with Yale’s current e-mail service is undeniably high" -- What is it about Yale email system that makes it so hard to maintain its proper functioning?
None 2 years, 3 months ago
It's idiotic to think that you can use the internet with absolute privacy, that's the trade off you get with access to information. It's also incredibly vain to think that google is attempting to steal ideas and undermine those secret underage drinking plans you have for Thursday night through your email. News Flash: even though you go to Yale are about as significant to google as the earth is to the solar system. Google only wants to spread it's gmail and apps branding, and colleges are the best places to get young people hooked on them.
None 2 years, 3 months ago
Crochety Yale Alum,
I think IT Guy was talking about mail flowing between mail severs, from your server to my server. Not mail flowing between your computer (mail client) and your mail server.
None 2 years, 3 months ago
It bears mentioning that Google is a corporation that drives vehicles festooned with 360-degree camera displays up people's driveways, and for many years has aided and abetted the "Great Firewall of China" that represses and censors a billion people. Each of these activities are things we would likely overthrow our own government for, yet we accept them from a private corporation apparently because it has a catchy motto, and cute icons on its search engine page. It is naive to assume they have any sort of altruistic goals even in the academic arena, and any interest in Yale beyond the bottom line.
None 2 years, 3 months ago
I ask that you examine other schools that have gone to this system; Yale is not the first that has done this.
None 2 years, 3 months ago
Google is an evil worm - beware.
None 2 years, 3 months ago
The students have reason to be suspicious of Google. Their top executives are extreme liberals and donate to extreme liberals in Government. They cowtowed to the China Government demands sacrificing the Chinese freedom of information in their search engine. They are constantly looking to take over other internet companies in order to gain CONTROL of that particular sector. They want power that comes from market share. Power is their motive, not money.
None 2 years, 3 months ago
Have you considered this :
http://content4.clipmarks.com/content/B7ED3DFF-9300-4167-8445-07C95D8BB495/
None 2 years, 3 months ago
There goes the anonymity of Skull and Bones...
and maybe the CIA...
None 2 years, 3 months ago
As you all already know, Google has an ongoing "relationship" with NSA. If you think this isn't about spying on you...you are simply naive.
None 2 years, 3 months ago
Wow, I learned something by reading this piece. I learned that Ivy League students ARE capable of critical thinking!! Again, Wow!
These same students, who are so very concerned with the possibility of a switch to Gmail, are demanding "transparency" and they are demanding this based on the fact they they are the ones who are "using the system everyday" and therefore deserve to know all the facts and should be allowed to weigh in with their concerns...
Hmmm, these people are the very same species that seem to push radical takeovers of things that people like my family are "using everyday" (aka - healthcare). These are the same types who feel that OTHER peoples' concerns about a takeover of the healthcare system by a highly ideological group of elites are wholly based on illogic and hatred... That is why this piece taught me something.... It taught me that students who are indoctrinated into a certain way of thinking are only capable of critical thinking and ONLY CARE about policy changes when it DIRECTLY AND IMMEDIATELY affects their lives... When it comes to things that will only affect OTHER PEOPLE'S lives, they don't care and they in fact believe that those OTHER PEOPLE DON'T EVEN DESERVE what they have already (even if they have worked a LIFETIME to acquire what they have).
None 2 years, 3 months ago
All Google wants is your email..... hopefully the professors & graduate students will discuss some important stuff... China is listening, why make it hard on them... go Google!
None 2 years, 3 months ago
Yalemail already becomes public domain 20 yrs after receipt.
So what's the difference — our data's not secure Nywayz.
None 2 years, 3 months ago
For the love of God, Google is investing in the future of its business, how many Yale students will be in a decision making position once they graduate? I hope a lot more than those churned out by a county college, therefore all they are doing is market to tomorrows decision makers enough with the conspiracy theories, or are you so full of yourselves that you think your thoughts are currently impacting society? it's a beautiful thing to believe that, but in reality you mean nothing to the outside world worry about building your own identity, once you graduate you'll have the power and the clout to improve this world better than most people out there.
None 2 years, 3 months ago
Who cares? At Ohio State, one of the largest schools in the country, our email was switched to microsoft outlook live... no one makes a big deal about that?
None 2 years, 3 months ago
What an excellent piece -- and most comments miss the point!
The students want to ask the quetsions BEFORE the system is adopted! They seek transparancy (you know, like Obama promised)
all privacy and host fee comments are moot - the students simply want to ask the questions ...
who could possibly object to that?
None 2 years, 3 months ago
I'm reminded of a stink many years ago when there was a "Windows migration" effort at Yale to reduce costs. The move was spurred by an Intel grant. You can read more about it here if you wish:
http://www.cslib.org/conntech/1997/0410.html
None 2 years, 3 months ago
A reasonably argued piece, with the exception of the unfortunate lefty paean to email "awareness raising." Good grief.
None 2 years, 3 months ago
Any email, whether Google-managed, or not, is subject to Promis, an undetectable "trap door" program. And not just email, but also browsing. Look up 'Promis' (not on Google, just to madden them).
None 2 years, 3 months ago
Who cares!
Yale has lost its credibility in the real, non-academic world.
FACT: Yale REFUSED to publish a book about Mohammed Cartoons that included the cartoons!
So much for being a place to discuss and express ideas.
What is Yale afraid of?
Is Yale afraid to report the truth about Islam?
YALE HAS LOST ITS INTEGRITY.
YALE WILL LOSE ITS INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY TO GOOGLE.
YALE HAS FORECLOSED ON ITS MORAL AND ETHICAL STANDING.
haha.
None 2 years, 3 months ago
Google is the new Microsoft. It won't be too much longer before the same people who use Google for everything are yelling "monopoly" and wishing there was an alternative provided by a small, independent company being run out of a garage.
None 2 years, 3 months ago
In the real world ... it costs businesses thousands of dollars to maintain an email server(s) ... storage, license & maintenance fees, system administrators, etc. Yale is looking at the bottom line only because they know that the current email system they have is THEIRS ... like in businesses email privacy does NOT exist. Period. If the students are that worried about 'privacy' use PGP encryption and host their own sendmail server from a Linux environment. Geez the Yale student body must have a lot of time on their hands to worry about this crap.
None 2 years, 3 months ago
Last time I looked Yale was/is a business. One of Higher Education of course but still a private enterprise which sells a product. You like their product so you have chosen to spend your money to purchase it. Remember it is their business and they have every right to provide as little or as much as they choose to provide and you may or may not choose to purchase it. If you don’t like the email service they provide then go somewhere else. You don’t get to choose how the provider puts forth their product you only get to choose to purchase it or not. If you don’t like it leave. Now quit whining.
None 2 years, 3 months ago
ASU switched to gmail based hosting from horde years ago. The system works well and is quite reliable. It provides excellent IMAPS and POPS interfaces along with the web interface.
As far as the people freaking out over privacy go, you have no clue. If you are sending and receiving non-encrypted email, given the amount of systems and in many cases countries it passes though, just about anyone, individual, government or corporation with sufficient resources, has the opportunity to read, archive, mine, etc it.
If you really cared about email privacy, you'd be using pgp or gpg to encrypt it. Then it wouldn't matter that google is providing hosting, because they can't read your encrypted mail.
None 2 years, 3 months ago
Remember - All info shared over the business networks ARE SOLD to numerous organizations who can control your future whenever they feel appropriate with the user having hardly any protection to his privacy etc. factors that were earlier not up for sale!!
This is what the current world is - anything you say or do is known to various oarties, and certainly to the service providers and authorities, including, the law enforcers - all who are unreliable and have hardly any accountability.
That is what the current steps are which are underway and the future holds.
You have not privacy and no control over anything you do on any network. It will be safer to assume all your info will be sold to companies who will influence and can control your future.
That is what Google etc. will end up doing far beyond what they already do with or without your knowledge.A
None 2 years, 3 months ago
Don't be STUPID. Google(Do be EVIL) will be gathering and collecting all of your email information as well as your web data. You will no longer have any privacy. What can be used against you...will be used against you one day and/or given to the government or sold for more money. Your university sold you out, dummies. Do be SHEEP! Baaaaaaaa.
None 2 years, 3 months ago
Bradley University in Peoria, IL already uses Google and has been for years.
None 2 years, 3 months ago
Not true. Mail sent accross their own internal LAN will not hit an ISP and therefore is extremely private mail. This sort of privacy is necessary for academic research etc. The number of post was so overwhelminly for gmail encrochment, you would think this forum has been sabatoged by insiders. Students arn't fools and neither is common sense.
None 2 years, 3 months ago
At the UC Davis, Google has run the email system for students (not professors) for the past year or so. We have never had an email outage and it has been great. If people are worried about google's data collecting practices, perhaps students should use personal email accounts for anything non-school related that should not be collected by the school. Thanks Drudge Report for the link!
None 2 years, 3 months ago
I think these concerns are valid and I'm very happy to hear that they're coming from kids. The google situation is getting out of hand and I think those that think it's all ridiculous to question are not really thinking about what privacy has become. We need to have discussions like this not just in terms of a university's email system, but on the net in general. It should be clear that we may look back some years down the line, when our lives are known inside and out and controlled by virtue of that information, and wonder how we could have been so willing to let this trend happen. The only reason we're ok with it now is because nothing has happened yet.
None 2 years, 3 months ago
Globalization requires IT skills, not IT slave services.
Email is important, open source is being killed.
Lots of pay for play is killing open source, and USA globalization.
DARPA, etc should be a commons.
The intelligence agencies, while doing an important job, are handling overrider wrong, and are making long term problems, for short term ease. IA, you sure a doing a bang up job so far... YALE, you should know better, you should aspire higher.
None 2 years, 3 months ago
What really bothers me is that Google will be reading all of our private communication and creating an index profile on each of us that knows what we work on, what we are interested in (whether we want that communicated or not), and who we interact with. If you wouldn't fill out a dossier on yourself and give it to Google, I don't know why the hell you'd force us to use Gmail.
None 2 years, 3 months ago
Welcome to the New World Order. Most posters are right. There is no privacy. As our "new boss", the Obama administration, same as the "old boss" just stated, there is no expectation of privacy with cell phone communication.
I am glad I stumbled onto these articles as I did not realize Google, now becoming an arm of the military industrial complex, has permeated universities all over our once great country.
Where is all the backlash. I would expect more from young college students, or is it a generation of young kids that have been tamed with video games, Facebook, etc. etc.
Post 39...unfortunately I am afraid we are being trained to become IT (not only IT) slaves to a world government intent on controlling as many aspects of our daily lives as possible.
Peace...from an old dude in the Mountain West
None 2 years, 3 months ago
Happy to see that Google's monopoly on information can still elicit a critical and rational response.
What is the deal with all the comments about how "my school switched to Google and everything is fine"? Who cares?! That's not the point in the slightest. It's not about efficiency, cost-benefits, or creature comforts. All of those are short-term benefits. What we're talking about here is the long term implications of privacy and the commodification of information by a small corporate elite.
None 2 years, 3 months ago
Jeff @ OSU: Being an IT, I can tell you that your Microsoft Outlook Live is hosted on your own servers on-site. Outlook Live is just the web interface used. The Ohio State University still hosts the servers, and thus still controls its own data.
Yale is actually outsourcing its e-mail to Google's servers. They are going to lose control of their data.
None 2 years, 3 months ago
What did the OSU grad say to the Michigan grad?
"Would you like fries with that?"
Go Blue.
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