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Fall in applications defies trend

While peer schools hit record highs, Yale's numbers dip; administrators unsure why

Despite the continued surge of applicants to other Ivy League schools, the number of applications to the Yale class of 2014 fell slightly compared to last year, the Office of Undergraduate Admissions announced Thursday — a phenomenon administrators and college counselors said they could not explain.

An estimated 25,800 students have submitted applications, down from last year’s record-breaking high of 26,000. Meanwhile, Harvard and Princeton continued to receive record numbers of applications with increases of 5 percent and 19 percent, respectively. Brown also saw a 20 percent increase in applicants, while Dartmouth registered a 4 percent rise.

While he acknowledged the growth in applicant pools at other colleges this year, Dean of Undergraduate Admissions Jeff Brenzel said he could not speculate on why Yale seems to have bucked the trend.

“Fluctuations from school to school, from year to year, are unknowable,” Brenzel said. “There are many possible causes, and this could just be random.”

He added that over time Yale has seen “phenomenal growth in applications,” citing the doubling of applications over the past decade. He said it is also important to look at the composition of an applicant pool, adding that Yale continues to attract and yield top-quality candidates.

Of the applicants, 5,621 students applied under Yale’s single-choice early action program, also a slight decline from the previous admissions Proxy-Connection: keep-alive

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cle. This year also saw a small rise in the number of male, low-income and minority applicants, Brenzel said. Yale expects to accept between 1,900 to 2,000 applicants, maintaining the 7.5 percent admission rate recorded last year, Brenzel added. A total of 730 students have already been admitted under Yale’s early action program.

Over the past three admissions cycles, Brenzel said, growth in Yale’s application numbers totaled 35 percent, outstripping Harvard, which saw a 27 percent rise and Princeton, which saw a 16 percent rise. (Still, growth at Yale over the last decade has fluctuated; the class of 2011 saw a four-year low in the number of applications received.)

Given this dramatic increase, Yale’s application numbers may have peaked a little earlier than its competitors’, University President Richard Levin said Thursday.

Of six college counselors interviewed, none said they could see a definitive explanation for this year’s drop, though three mentioned Yale’s growing selectivity as a possible factor.

“At Maret, the most important factor is the perception of getting in,” said Leonard King, college counselor at the Maret School in Washington. “Some people may have decided not to apply because their chances are so slight.”

Darby McHugh, a college counselor at the Bronx High School of Science in New York, said her school’s top applicants typically apply early to Yale. But when most of them are rejected or deferred, their peers may be reluctant to submit regular-decision applications.

McHugh also pointed to the negative press surrounding the widely publicized murder of Annie Le GRD ’13 and the death of Andre Narcisse ’12 several weeks later as a possible factor.

Jane Horn, director of college counseling at the Kent Denver School, in Englewood, Co., said she recalled a noticeable dip in applications to the University of Colorado after it was rocked by a football sex scandal in 2004. But she said the recent deaths at Yale did not seem to have affected where her students chose to apply.

While college counselors were unable to reach a consensus on why fewer students applied to Yale this year, all six interviewed said the numbers will likely have little impact on Yale in the longer term.

Brenzel said he did not want to speculate about the future but is confident Yale will continue to attract the same caliber of applicants.

Horn described this year’s numbers as an “anomaly” and said while she expects Yale to “take a hit” in the U.S. News & World Report college rankings, she has seen no indication of a shift in college preferences among her students.

“Schools tend to have hot and cold years,” Sachs said. “Being a little down will not affect the strength of the incoming class because application numbers far exceed what they can admit.”

If anything, he added, prospective members of the class of 2015 might think this year’s lower numbers will reduce selectivity, encouraging them to apply.

Applicants to the Yale College of 2014 will receive their application decisions April 1.

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None 2 years, 4 months ago

Without a doubt, and in my humble opinion, the most recent campus safety related fatalities,have somehow tarnished temporarily the perception of whether to apply to Yale vs other Ivy Schools.

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None 2 years, 4 months ago

CRIMES and bad weather could be the issues.

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None 2 years, 4 months ago

Safety issue is also a big concern when new PhDs come to interview for postdoctoral positions at Yale.

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None 2 years, 4 months ago

I think we should all be both more humble and more honest. We show our arrogance by explaining every rise in applications as the inevitable result of our 'unmatched reputation' and then claiming "random" fluctuation or 'non-Yale-related-circumstances-beyond-our-control' when things don't go well compared to our competitors. Both Brenzel and his predecessor have been guilty of this and their exaggerations have been embarrassing. We always seem to have a way of diminishing the achievements of our competitors by explaining that they are the result of clever tactics or one-time ploys (viz. Emma Watson at Brown) while seeing ourselves as temporary victims of bad press or even of our own success. We can't argue that last year's low acceptance rate caused students to look elsewhere this year when our Cambridge competitors had an even lower acceptance rate last year and saw an increase in the number of applications this year.

We're a great school and we should be proud of that but there's an annoying sense of superiority and exceptional-ism that I have seen all too often including while working with other alumni doing interviewing. Among those who worked with me doing interviewing in the past there was a real disdain for all schools other than Yale and Harvard. While interviewers are instructed never to disparage other schools openly to the interviewees, my colleagues would always find subtle ways to compare Yale to Harvard and dismiss all other competitors. This may have been just the particular groups I joined but it was my experience and one of the reasons I no longer interview.

Carmen, I would like to ask another question that has never been answered clearly. How are we counting incomplete and withdrawn applications? Are they or are they not included in the total for this year? Other schools do not count them and I've never gotten what I considered an unambiguous answer to this question.

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None 2 years, 4 months ago

It's because Yale made it onto Iran's black list.

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None 2 years, 4 months ago

I am a Yale College alumnus. My son, a high school senior this year, did not bother applying to Yale. What I found interesting is that Yale and Dartmouth were the only elite colleges which did not send my son marketing literature based on his ACT score. I realize that soliciting applications this way is a cruel scam -- the colleges want to reject more applicants to lower their acceptance rates -- but perhaps Yale is losing some applications by not participating in this trolling process.

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None 2 years, 4 months ago

Don't use "safety" to cover up for real issues. This is what happens when a school tries to pursue the multicultural, "no single identity IS our identity!" line.

People LIKE having a culture, like having a common rallying point. People want the phrase "I'm a Yale Man" to actually mean something again. Harvard, Princeton, Brown--all very developed stereotypes. You know what you're getting, and if you don't want it, you don't go there. Yale is just a muddy puddle by comparison, and it's showing.

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None 2 years, 4 months ago

With all due respect, I venture to say we are seeing a repeat of the trend that we saw 10 years ago, when Yale apps declined relatively as it depended more and more on Early Decision admits to fill the class.

Addiction to early admissions is like any other addiction: it feels good at first, then the side effects kick in.

Since Yale moved to "Restricted Early Action", the fraction of the total apps coming early has risen (and Yale is still filling half the class from the early group). But at the same time, the growth in total applications has substantially trailed the increases at Harvard and Princeton, almost certainly because it has begun to dawn on "regular" applicants that half the seats are gone before anybody opens their envelope.

Yale should stop strategizing and tinkering in order to raise the yield rate by restricting the size of the overlap pool with its rivals.

Quite simply, Yale should place all applicants on an equal footing as Princeton and Harvard have done.

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None 2 years, 4 months ago

In furtherance of Y10, Yale also has recently displayed a RIDICULOUS amount of political correctness in its handling of various issues - Zeta stunt in front of the women's center, pre-season scouting, freshmen Harvard-Yale Game t-shirts etc.

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None 2 years, 4 months ago

“The number of applications to the Yale class of 2014 fell slightly compared to last year — a phenomenon administrators and college counselors said they could not explain.” Guess who is coming to Yale Master Tea next month?

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None 2 years, 4 months ago

So what if they don't come. More pizza for us.

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None 2 years, 4 months ago

Why isn't there an upvote button? Y'10 (#7) deserves a few of those.

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None 2 years, 4 months ago

I'm afraid Yale's reputation is going to take a hit with this low numbers. But as an admitted student, I hope this low number will be good for this year's matriculants because each of us would get a larger share of the available resources.

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None 2 years, 4 months ago

While the world is focusing at Haiti, Yale is disturbing the world by inviting Buck Angel to Master Tea for the celebration of sexual week. The Gay Ivy is catering the third gender beyond belief. Unfortunately most high school seniors are in the first two genders. Yale needs new administration, new direction and new leadership!

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None 2 years, 4 months ago

I somewhat agree with y'10.

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None 2 years, 4 months ago

I posted over in the other Carmen Lu article yesterday and I STILL don't understand the concern. Will Yale's international reputation shrink? Nope. Will Yale's applicant pool deteriorate? Nope. Will the pendulum swing back next year or the year after? Yep. Having said that, I do agree with "Y10" about the advantages of campus-culture identity. In descending order of identity-acuteness, the Ivies are Princeton, Brown, Dartmouth, Columbia, Harvard, Yale, Penn, Cornell. (Or does anyone have a different order?) It strikes me a lot of kids from an early age begin to consider Princeton and Brown because of their VERY distinctive identities. They consider Yale and Harvard initially for brand name.

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None 2 years, 4 months ago

Y14, what are you talking about??! Yale's reputation is going to "take a hit because of these numbers"? Doesn't make sense buddy.

Yields, ARs, and total applications vary from year to year, that is one thing Brenzel has always reiterated. Furthermore, Brenzel points out that Yale's application totals, relative to Harvard and Princeton's, recorded in recent years unprecedented growth. Its only natural that growth retrenches once in a while. If we see this as part of a continuous trend, then we can start worrying.

Also, do you remember last year's debacle on the Princetonian website? Princeton announced that the AR had dropped to 10% (gasp!). The comments board went mad. Over 250 comments, most of them from terrified and belligerent Princetonians claiming it was going to push Princeton back in the rankings and damage its rep. The ACTUAL results: applications to Princeton hit an unprecedented number this year and US News put it in a first-place tie with Harvard.

Let's stop niggling over molehills here and focus on bigger issues, like our budget woes and classes being gutted. Worrying about petty numbers seems the job of overcompetitive students at H and P anyway.

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None 2 years, 4 months ago

What does this overarching surge in Ivy applications say about quality? Nothing, really.

The objective of an admissions office is to have an app pool where the proportion of highly qualified apps is very high. Almost everything else is statistically insignificant. Case in point, why do you thing UChicago has a 30% admit rate yet consistently posts in the top ten universities in the world? QUALITY, baby. That's all that matters.

I'm sure Emma Watson helped with the Brown spike, but there is also a very good chance that a lot of those additional 5,000 appl this year are not qualified for Brown.

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None 2 years, 4 months ago

It is conceivable that Brown apps were up because they had only filled 1/3 of the class from the early pool, while Yale admitted enough people from the early pool to fill 53% of the seats in the class of 2014, if they all matriculate. A depressing spectre for the hapless "regular" applicants to Yale.

I understand the attraction of the early pool: these people are far more likely to matriculate if admitted, statistics show, and this does wonders for the yield rate.

But perhaps, in retrospect, President Levin should have joined Princeton and Harvard in abolishing the early program, and considering all applicants on an equal footing.

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None 2 years, 4 months ago

So to summarize: Princeton very unhappy last year and very happy this year. Yale sort of unhappy this year (and not discounting the effect of the tragedy that occurred last fall), but probably happy enough next year. Harvard unfazed every year. Brown very happy last year and even happier this year (and not discounting some unquantifiable effect of Emma Watson). Penn happy this year about their 17 percent rise, but slightly miffed about Brown's 20 percent and Princeton's 19 percent. Dartmouth wondering where their football dynasty went despite a rebuilt stadium.

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None 2 years, 4 months ago

... Actually, Harvard publicly unfazed, but privately noticing that the Brown graph-line is now level with the Harvard line.

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None 2 years, 4 months ago

Currently Yale is stereotyped as the Gay Ivy.

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None 2 years, 4 months ago

That term was coined in the 80s and, as much as the Yale LGBQT community champions it, is now more or less irrelevant relative to Brown and Columbia.

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None 2 years, 4 months ago

Is Buck Angel also invited to Brown, Harvard and Princeton? I am sure Buck Angel will restore Yale's application rate more than the video.

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None 2 years, 4 months ago

Carmen, will you be able to get Brenzel to absolutely confirm that the application number does not include incomplete and withdrawn applications? This would restore my faith in Yale's honest reporting and allow me to answer Yale's critics.

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None 2 years, 4 months ago

My daughter would not apply to yale because she feels that yale wants to admit their special version of the disadvantaged youth. Many upper middle class youth feel that yale considers their accomplishments were handed to them and they did not earn them because they were not poor enough. Yale needs to stop worrying about the number of applications, just whether or not they are the type of applicants they want.

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None 2 years, 4 months ago

If Yale is seeking diveristy Yale should invite the street evangelist Mr. Jesse Morrell to the Master Tea.

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None 2 years, 4 months ago

Sheer # of applications is irrelevant. Yale attracts the highest quality students in the end, even higher than Harvard in recent years. By any objective measure, Yale is now the most selective Ivy League college in the United States.

Those extra 15,000-20,000 applicants to each of the Ivies are just "fat" - it always comes down to the top 3,000-5,000 people, which is winnowed down to a class of 1000-1500.

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None 2 years, 4 months ago

Clearly something is amiss if Yale is the only school this year that experienced a decline in applications. The first step to fixing a problem is to admit that there is a problem and not to pretend that there is no problem at all. Perhaps the high early admit rate is the cause, or perhaps the way applicants perceive Yale when compared to the other schools. Two deaths on campus could not have helped either, but Yale should find out why there was a decline in applications and not pretend it was just random.

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None 2 years, 4 months ago

By inviting Buck Angel, is Yale seeking diversity or appealing to the base?

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None 2 years, 4 months ago

Cross Campus : As part of efforts to transform Yale into a world-class science research institution, the Office of Undergraduate Admissions has made recruiting science and engineering students a top priority.

When I saw Buck Angel’s picture on YDN I thought I was on a porn website. Is this a part of efforts to transform Yale?

The top science and engineering students remember what happened to the top science student Annie Le. She was murdered when she worked in her lab 10' clock in the morning. Do not tell me "It can happen anywhere".

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None 2 years, 4 months ago

Currently apps run about 55-45 female at Yale - more heavily female than any Ivy except Brown, where the ratio approaches 60-40.

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None 2 years, 4 months ago

@ #16

I absolutely agree on the third gender comment plus SWAY and remember that revolting "artist" and her fetuses. Each of these influence the Yale brand.

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None 2 years, 4 months ago

@'98: From the Common Data Set for Yale and Brown (fall 2008 enrollment is latest year on file): Percent women applicants: Yale 55.0, Brown 60.7. The Yale percentage is not yet worrying, given the national figures. The Brown percentage is very worrying. Worrying in a different way is that Brown is losing its male Hollywood-offspring applicants. According to the definitive DailyBeast.com tally, current Brown freshman or sophomore students include the GIRL children of Arnold Schwarzenegger, Jack Nicholson, Steven Spielberg, and Bruce Willis (with Demi Moore). No Hollywood A-list MALE offspring have matriculated since 2007. If Emma Watson is looking for a Hollywood-resident BOY friend she's at the wrong school. I've written to the admissions office about this, and they tell me they're aware of the problem and are working to "redress the Hollywood moneybags development candidate gender imbalance."

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None 2 years, 4 months ago

I think a lot of these speculations are too inside Yale to really explain any differences in application numbers. Honestly, applicants aren't making decisions based on who is invited to Master's Teas. I think there are two things that have been mentioned that may explain it. First, the Annie Le case got national attention, and may have caused some people not to apply. I also agree that SCEA may have an impact.

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None 2 years, 3 months ago

The recent story about the declining fraction of admits may provide part of the explanation as well. Those seeking financial aid are sensitive to even small differences between awards at Princeton, Harvard, Yale and Stanford, etc. Other schools may be slightly ahead of us in the fraction of applicants awarded financial aid, and the size of typical grants.

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None 2 years, 4 months ago

@Unspeakable Brown student: I too am concerned and I too wrote to the administration, the development office, in fact, but the D.O. had a completely different answer. They wrote back that Hollywood "alumnae can have only one baby at a time whereas alumni can father several at once" (exact quote), hence the admissions proportionality.

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None 2 years, 4 months ago

@Obnoxious Brown student: That's bizarre.

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