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im not sure how good an idea it would be to have an office for fraternities, in effect making fraternities a part of yale. not a good idea at all. gives legitimacy to frats. the residential colleges are suppose to foster whatever it is frats claim they foster- a sense of community, a channel for community involvement, socialization, a place for the development of leadership skills, etc- but in a more inclusive way. you dont need to pledge to belong to a college. i like the princeton letter. frats are not and cant be an official part of yale. there should be a blanket, over arching statement on harassment and cases should be dealt with individually.

Interesting. The WC still hasn't contacted Zeta Psi. Perhaps they just don't want to admit that they are playing on stereotypes of frats and want to eliminate frats.

The WC is fighting the symptoms and not the cause of the disease. They are silent about Yale's promoting and legitimizing pornography on campus, while wasting a huge amount of time and effort carrying out a vendetta against frats.

is there a way to view the entire report sent to the administration?

i think publicly posting it through the YDN would truly be helpful and transparent, something everyone enjoys. after all, this 10pg report is supposed to affect a lot of groups on campus, not just the women's center and the administration.

keep the dialogue open.

I love it. "A group of Yale frat guys took a tasteless picture in front of the Women's Center holding a piece of paper with an offensive phrase on it. Therefore, Yale ought to give the Women's Center more funding." If I'm upset because my IM team lost, will Yale buy me a new car?

Can we just get it straight that these guys DID NOT rape anyone nor mention rape in the first place?

can't speak for the zeta psi guys or even that particular fraternity, but it's no secret that many parties serve punch with either grain or roofies. i can't tell you how many parties (je sextet, sigma nu, sae) that i've been to where girls aren't allowed to drink the beer and guys aren't allowed to drink the punch. this is what sponsoring rape means, people!

"But some students, like Aneesh Raghunandan ’11, said the Center has gone too far, blowing the incident out of proportion and using it as a launching pad for pushing through its reform agenda."
Aneesh got it right. The students involved need to get an appropriate punishment (training, plus community service doing unpleasant work for a women's group would be good). Using the immaturity of a bunch of perhaps tipsy or worse 18-19 year olds (hey, didn't we all do some pretty stupid stuff at that age??) as a grounds to require Yale to regulate frats or give the WC $ is way overboard (especially the latter).
Yale, please punish the young men involved, but don't let a group pressure you into a broader reaction by a group that is trying to use the immaturity of a some 18-19 year olds as a way to push its own agenda.

@ #7: As a JE junior who has attended pretty much every party thrown in the Sextet (or by the seniors who are acting as it this year in Swing Space), I can say that I have never seen a girl told she couldn't have a beer instead of punch and I have certainly never heard of anyone complaining of being roofied there. Do you really think campus fraternities have some secret source of rohypnol? I would agree that grain is far more potent and dangerous than most people realize, and if I remember correctly, this is addressed during freshman orientation activities, although, unfortunately, there's no way for students to really find this out until after they've drank it. Also, while I don't know the intentions of frat brothers when they're planning a party, I know that grain is often used because it is cheap and gets people drunk quick, which is many partygoers goal for the night. A side effect of this is weakened inhibitions, which could be what the frats are seeking, but I wouldn't make a blanket allegation of this without concrete proof.

If there was a party where all the punch was roofied, wouldn't that be kind of obvious, what with every girl there passing out?

Not sure what happened to my post: will try again.

To #7: Which is it: are you an accessory to a CRIME (wherein you had suspicions and circumstantial evidence of date-rape drug use but did NOTHING) or are you now engaged in LIBEL?

Just wondering.

What a load of bull. I've gone to frat parties and not drunk anything. You only drink if you want to. No one's making you and frat boys will back off if you slap them for groping (seriously). They respect boundaries more than the YWC acknowledges.

@ #9: sorry to accuse the sextet as a whole-- i understand it changes from year to year-- but know of very specific example where guys were not permitted to drink punch which turned out to be roofied.

@ 11: VICTIM of a crime, ever think of that?

"No one didn’t find it offensive."

I'm a woman and I didn't find it offensive. I thought it was a crass joke, but a funny one nevertheless. I thought it was a clever play on both the macho frat boy and the shrill feminist stereotypes. Whatever happened to our sense of humor?

I agree with #5. Aneesh got it right. The WC needs to calm down and stop abusing the sensitivity of the issue and the natural sympathy they enjoy. Yale can punish the students moderately, but reform is a ridiculous overreaction.

Oh, and all the conspiracy theories that are floating around about frats systematically abusing (freshman) girls need to be thrown aside NOW. Freshman girls can be stupid and naive, but that's nobody's fault but their own. If we want to shelter our students, we might as well bring their parents to live with them and watch over every detail of their lives.

Please, please, Yale women, stop being so spoiled. You're embarrassing me.