Apache heirs sue Skull and Bones over remains
The descendants of the Apache Geronimo, a warrior chieftain whose remains are rumored to be held inside Yale’s oldest secret society, filed a lawsuit Tuesday demanding the return of their ancestor’s skull.
Twenty members of the legendary warrior’s family are suing senior federal government officials, the University and the society Skull and Bones in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia to seek the return of Geronimo’s remains as well as punitive damages.
“I believe strongly from my heart that his spirit was never released,” Geronimo’s great-grandson Harlyn...
there is always someone there
" Repeated knocks on the front door of the society’s tomb were not answered Tuesday evening."
oi veh!
"Reached by phone Tuesday evening, four individuals — named in the society’s 2007 tax filings as directors of Skull and Bones’s corporate parent, the Russell Trust Association — said they had no knowledge of the lawsuit."
YDN reporters, on the move!
Dorks.
Don't expect honesty out of any of the people associated with skull & bones.
What is wrong with people today????
This Geronimo business is ridiculous. Afeni Shakur should sue Skull and Bones for abducting Tupac and forcing him to make a new album every year from the tomb's basement since 1996
The only way to prove or disprove any of the allegations concerning Geronimo's skull is to go dig him up at Ft. Sill, OK.
It's about time somebody took notice of this type of morbid activities taken upon Native Americans. I say bring him home at last! What about Sacajuwinya? Maybe someone should bring her home to rest too.
In order for the suit to be successful, they have to prove that it's there, right? The burden of proof is on the plaintif. How on Earth do they plan to do that?
I have seen photographs of the inside of the tomb; if I remember clearly, there is a single skull in a small glass case, next to a picture of a Native American. The person who took the picture told me, "They've got Geronimo's skull." Clearly, they THINK they have it. Whether they actually DO have it, of course, is a different matter. They do have a LOT of skulls...
And nobody came to the door when you knocked. Nobody will come to the door when you ring the bell, either. (Yes, there is a doorbell.) They don't call them "secret" society's for nothing, you know.
Can anyone who knows more about the law comment on the following:
-punative damages
-90 years
-a jury of non-Yalies, and probably people unsympathetic to our institution
Could S&B's endowment be cleared out? A similar legal strategy was used by the SPLC against KKK groups and they bankrupted them. Could this happen here? I've heard the endowment is less than $10mm
I heard from very a very reliable source that the skull is passed around from each quivering, gray-robed initiate-to-initiate and that they are required to kiss the skull directly on top of the head and repeat three times: "There now, snookums, you just stay as wild as you are!"
Typical Free Mason Tactics, just bash the door in take it back and be done with it
Steve Jackson: exactly what do you mean by--and what would you know of--"typical free mason [sic] tactics," hmmm?
Certainly those bonesmen can keep puttering around in their bastion of elitism without some old skulls rattling about. Return them to the apache, whether or not it can be "proved" it's Geronimo. I recommend they start a collection of the skulls of former Bonesmen who provide written consent to the donation before death, so the society can always have skulls.
Give several skulls back and we'll see whether an imprisoned spirit can be released with someone else's mortal remains.
As a Euro-White American Warrior and most recently Service Connected Disabled Combat Veteran I extend my personal apologies with hand extended out to you and mine eyes deeply focused into yours, all apaches eyes, I am Sorry.
I happened to graduate US Army Basic Training as well as AIT and Special Field Artillery courses at Fy. Sill, Oklahoma. Fortunately upon my graduation, my mother flew out from Cali to proudly share in my milestones as a warrior grad. Having a mother who is German, and whom nearly crawled at knee level out of the rubble and dead left by Nazi and US war, she is a mother who places GREAT importance upon visiting and emersivly learning about others cultures, histories, arts and peoples heros of the past. Once my Army grad finished she pleasantly surprised me by taking us both out on a tour of Ft. Sill, US Army History, and most of all, a sacred space on Ft. Sill where Geronimo and much of all his immediate family are buried together.
We spent a good amount of time at the graves in silence and historical wonder, respecting those Warriors who were indeed above most every aged heroes story. We took a few pics of each other and the grave "Pyramid" markers of the Warriors sacred resting ground, spent a little more time in silent respect and parted ways. That was in 1989.
Little did I know that when I left Ft Sill and landed at the most warrior ethos centric NATO base on this planet (Graf) that in just a few short years I would encounter and outlast multiple red alrts, small battles, Berlins wall fall, the calming forced speeration of the hottest place on yearth goine past (Balkans) and take part in the middle east battle ay Medina Ridge which became the largest, swiftest, and most decisive tank rattle EVER fought in all our wars history. Still young at the time, like most, I tended to focus upon physical and intel rather than deep intuiyion, energies within and spiritual guidance measures.
In fact, it would not be for more than a decade later, following marriage, child and family making, degrees and professions that I then learned of a wrong that I HAVE ALWAYS FELT MUST BE RIGHTED. AND SHALL! It would be A near 20 years after visiting Geronimos sacred resting grounds that indeed i came to find the truth and facts of the matter. Acts carried out by a White male group, of Euro American "Educated" leaders of the U.S. past time had come to the same grave almost 100 years earlier to dig up, and rob the family grave of not just artifacts, but the great Apache leader head and more.
Even more disgusting and de-prouded this story became when the solid sources and evidence pointed directly at the person who clearly led the shameful euro white group to execute such despicable acts. His name?
Prescott Bush
The Father and Grandfather of two of Americas presidents.
I would like to believe, but I shall not assume, that I can speak for all those who have defended, lost, won and killed in the hunt for and preservation of privacy, freedom and free will, THESE WRONGS MUST BE RIGHTED IMMEDIATELY, NOW! EVEN SO SHOULD THE VERY GRAVES OF THOSE WHO PERFORMED SUCH CRIMINAL ACTS, BE UNBURIUED AND BURNED TO NAY EVEN HOLD A SPACE UPON WHICH WE SHARE THE SAME LAND AND VALUES WE DEFEND, REGARDLESS OUR METHOD, THESE WRONGS MUST BE RIGHTED, NOW!
Skull & Bones use Nordic Icons to empower and endow themselves??
How many of the Skull & Bones refine themselves martially?? John Kerry did cause he served in Vietnam. I expect very few of the Skull & Bones have educated and refined themselves in ritual training. Anyone know??
What is the population/membership total of the Skull&Bones??
Are they exculsive to only Yale and Harvard students? others have never been allowed in cause they are poor, or what??
Also, if the club is as exculsive as it seems, and only the 'financially' wealthy are inlcuded and absorbed into the culture/population/clan, then the DNA quality is not 'wealthy' and refined from generations of pioneering and labouring that the middle class and underclass have gained.
The acceptance of Duality and oppositional forces are giving me an empathetic feeling of sorrow for those who plotted something so pathetically stupid.
Your working class sons are coming home from Iraq and Afghanistan, they are to be branded as 'Super-REfined Heroes' who are living icons of progressive values who stood against sharia-dogma, and when they have PTSD, they are to be recognized as having natural steroids/superhuman strength. (extra-testonsterone, extra-adrenaline/epinephrine)
Your refined worker class sons are preceptually deafened at times when they are extra hyper-alert. Recognize what verbal agnosia is, and emotional/social agnosia and realize that they are not the same as the general population and should be branded as beautiful/tempered from chaos and darkness faced.
With PTSD, your amygdala is becomes CHIEF/Crown in your mind/cognition process and as such, you become perceptually deafened, cause the amygdala is responsible for auto-responses such as protecting your eye from dust and debris. PTSD is a hyper-alert state that is super-overwhelming when you first get it, but it subsides in time. Protect your sons and daughters/brothers and sisters with a reforming your understanding of what these combat fatigued veterans (and also pedophile rape victims) are going through and stand up for them. It makes me sick when I think of all the homeless veterans now.
THese homeless and marginalized soldiers/civilians are the most tempered and refined beings on this earth. You would be wize to provide free/public/super-cheap post-secondary and university for all. Otherwize the dark side will you forever be, rather than immortal light.
Isn't the Grimm Reaper a steadfast and just farmer who guards his clan/people from invaders/imperial dogma?? You claims to these icons are uninformed and skewed. Best be getting your hands dirty and bloodied to refine yourselves. MMA, anyone? For the clan.
1. Hot art thou, fire! | too fierce by far;
Get ye now gone, ye flames!
The mantle is burnt, | though I bear it aloft,
And the fire scorches the fur.
2. 'Twixt the fires now | eight nights have I sat,
And no man brought meat to me,
Save Agnar alone, | and alone shall rule
Geirröth's son o'er the Goths.
3. Hail to thee, Agnar! | for hailed thou art
By the voice of Veratyr;
Out of Ymir's flesh | was fashioned the earth,
And the ocean out of his blood;
Of his bones the hills, | of his hair the trees,
Of his skull the heavens high.
"Repeated knocks on the front door of the society’s tomb were not answered Tuesday evening."
Try Thursday. Or Sunday.