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Moore: You made a big mistake, America

Published Friday, November 7, 2008

Thank you, America, for making the biggest mistake of your life.

Thank you, America, for electing a man who has known associations with domestic terrorists and dissenting radicals who make their careers out of defacing the United States and promoting its ruin. Thank you, America, for electing a man who is wildly acclaimed by the governments of our country’s worst enemies, by Iran’s death-crazed Ahmadinejad, Venezuela’s drug-lord-promoting Hugo Chavez and Cuba’s torturing-socialist Castro Brothers.

Thank you, America, for electing a man so far from the foundations and roots...

#1 By Luis M. 4:04a.m. on November 7, 2008

You're welcome. Really, it was our pleasure.

#2 By Luis M. 5:09a.m. on November 7, 2008

Hey I had to PERSEVERE just to get through this nonsense.

#3 By Luis M. 6:55a.m. on November 7, 2008

How did you get into college, with that feeble mind?

#4 By Thank You! 8:59a.m. on November 7, 2008

Well done Elizabeth!

Oh Luis, how I loved your inane babble during section, glad to see you still sipping the Kool-Aid.

America had the chance to get it right- and we got it WRONG.

Get ready for the Black Jimmy Carter.

#5 By Doug N. 9:24a.m. on November 7, 2008

Obama's "main philosophies take active steps towards the very foundational principles that led to the death of millions during China’s Cultural Revolution and Russia’s Great Purges. "

Really? Do you honestly believe this tripe?

You, dear, are bitter and embarrassingly unhinged. You need to take some time off.

#6 By radically yours 10:00a.m. on November 7, 2008

you are SO welcome, Lil Ms. Hasselbeck!
we couldn't have done it without radical right-wingers like you!

#7 By alum 10:30a.m. on November 7, 2008

I'd have no problem with McCain if he recognized that the rich are only rich because of the infrastructure that our country builds for them, and proposed a 60% tax bracket on all income over $500K.

McCain's pandering to the ultra-rich -- in the face of crumbling infrastructure, national debt, lack of security in our ports and cities, pathetic transportation systems, literally decaying schools, etc. -- is fundamentally un-American. That's what did him in.

Nobody cares about abstract ideas about freedom -- what they want is ACTUAL freedom to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

#8 By Karen 10:36a.m. on November 7, 2008

This brought tears to my eyes. Sic semper tyrannis!

#9 By Hieronymus 10:54a.m. on November 7, 2008

It's okay, Elizabeth: let the Dems take the blame for awhile.

#10 By Anonymous 10:54a.m. on November 7, 2008

Good to see that there are still a few patriots among this new generation of Yalies.

Romney-Jindal 2012!

#11 By Robert S. 10:55a.m. on November 7, 2008

Thank you Elizabeth. Whether Obama himself turns out to be as disdainful of American constitutional guarantees as those around him and in the national legislature is the main question. He has already moderated somewhat, he will have to moderate more, but those around him probably will not.

#12 By Robert S. 11:04a.m. on November 7, 2008

I guess it should refreshing to be reminded that getting into (and out of) Yale is no indication that one is at all logical. Maybe Yalies aren't the elite, after all.

It's one thing to disagree with his policies; in fact, it's productive. But to recapitulate perhaps every false accusation made on the campaign trail -- I admire your perseverance in writing this. It must have been an arduous adventure in regurgitated rhetoric.

"Gone are the golden Horatio Alger stories that promoted the motivation to work towards the American dream."

Right! I mean, the son of a Kenyan immigrant and a woman from Kansas becoming president? -- now that Obama is elected, nothing so Horatio Alger-ish could ever happen!

Actually, no. This tripe was seriously scary.

"... a man so far from the foundations and roots of our government..."

Why don't you just come out and say it, since you've already insinuated it?! He's black.

And, as Luis said, you're welcome!

#13 By Robert S. 11:06a.m. on November 7, 2008

Wonderful editorial Elizabeth!

#14 By Robert S. 11:08a.m. on November 7, 2008

you have a very extreme view of the world.

please ask my grandfathers, both of whom served in the second world war and have actually seen the combat you glorify, why they both bucked their conservative leanings because of the loose cannons on the right. both understand war and both voted for obama and biden.

please also tell my grandmothers that they were "poisoned by marijuana and free love" (in the 1940s?).

also, i'm sure chavez had some statement about how great obama's election is, but privately i think we all know he's slightly perturbed about our future demand for oil.

america voted and obama won. you'd do well to clam up and accept that we need a new direction.

#15 By Robert S. 11:31a.m. on November 7, 2008

You are SO WELCOME! Elizabeth, now go cry on Rush Limbaugh shoulder.

#16 By Robert S. 11:34a.m. on November 7, 2008

I was particularly appalled by your claim that the Republican/conservative point of view protects the right to the "autonomous control of oneself." How can you say this when for so many years, the Republican platform has been anti-choice and anti-reproductive rights? Isn't the ability for each woman to control her own body the MOST basic example of "autonomous control of oneself"? Not to mention the right for anyone to marry whomsoever they choose and raise families, just as I have as a heterosexual. I could go on. I'll be a lot more sympathetic to the Republican party if/when it stops trying to invade my bedroom and my body and gets back to more traditional republican notions like fiscal restraint and small government. (Not that I agree with those views either, but I can be respectful of them at least.)

#17 By Colin A. 11:38a.m. on November 7, 2008

I was really afraid America was going to come together as a country after this election. Glad to know people like Moore (any relation to Ann Coulter) will keep the hate, the divisiveness, and the fear that we've grown so accustomed to over the past 8 years around for a little longer de(in)spite America's call to change.

Thanks Moore,
Keep drinkin' the cool-aid!

#18 By Colin A. 11:38a.m. on November 7, 2008

It's amazing how much resentment for Obama lies in the "conservative minority." Regardless of personal ideology, Obama will be the 44th President of the United States. No one contests that. But we need to get past partisan thinking and conservative fears and everyone should work together for the improvement of the American Dream, both at home and abroad.

We all have to pray that Obama's administration will do better than the last one. And with that, Obama needs everyone's help.

#19 By Colin A. 11:44a.m. on November 7, 2008

elizabeth,
Move to Canada.
And, you're welcome!

#20 By Colin A. 11:53a.m. on November 7, 2008

Wow. This is actually kind of spooky.

#21 By Nigel E. 12:03p.m. on November 7, 2008

"Thank you, America, for electing a man so far from the foundations and roots of our government"

You mean the the 3/5 clause?

#22 By Nigel E. 12:06p.m. on November 7, 2008

As a Democrat (would you call me a "Demoncrat"?), I wholeheartedly stand for perseverance over entitlement. So does Obama, if you actually listened to his speech on Tuesday night. Your sanctimonious attacks do not reflect well on your stated ideals.

#23 By (Anonymous) 12:23p.m. on November 7, 2008

You are indeed a little dramatic, but thank you for finally interrupting the intolerable noise that the echo chamber that is yale has been emanating during this election. the closest to a dissenting voice in the YDN has been, "wouldn't it be nice if there were a few conservatives to challenge us."

Indeed, we passed over electing what is possibly the most known quantity of a politician in Washington today, and a true hero.

#24 By Eamon M. 12:27p.m. on November 7, 2008

Elizabeth, what are you thinking? In your litany of historical commonplaces, you have confused two different wars. D-Day and free love were not contemporaneous. How did this near-insanity get past Pistol Pete Martin?

#25 By Eamon M. 12:29p.m. on November 7, 2008

Wow, someone drank the Palin-ade. Not even John McCain believes this crap. Terrorist associations? Come on.

If you want people to take you seriously, write something with an argument. Your impassioned polemics aren't going to change any minds.

#26 By Eamon M. 12:39p.m. on November 7, 2008

vom

#27 By Eamon M. 12:46p.m. on November 7, 2008

are you serious? You think the president elect is a proponent of "unadulterated evil"?

#28 By (Anonymous) 12:52p.m. on November 7, 2008

I can only assume this is the journalistic equivalent of fakeposting/trolling. Alternately, you're a moron.

#29 By juli 1:01p.m. on November 7, 2008

if McCain wanted to continue his service to his country in a respectable way, he would have chosen a more competent and able vice presidential candidate, considering his health issues and age, among other things.

his campaign lost all credibility the day he nominated Palin.

if you didn't see their campaign as not only erratic, negative and dysfunctional, but laughable even, then your perseverence borders on delusion.

#30 By ... 1:18p.m. on November 7, 2008

bitter, much?

#31 By 2012 2:37p.m. on November 7, 2008

Thank you graciously Ms. Moore for serving as a beacon of light to the blind Obama faithful!

“…and that wrote loyal letters to the unfaithful girls back home too poisoned by marijuana and free love to write back.” Excellent.

To the other posters, please do not dismiss Obama’s numerous radical associations. Most are unaware of the number and depth of such radical ties and choose to dismiss or distort those they do know about so that they don’t interfere with whatever idealistic vision they have of Obama’s character. Since Obama has such a thin resume, he inherently leaves much up to imagination of the typical liberal as to what he represents and will do in office.

Hence the “yes we can” orgy of blind followers on old campus the other day. So many happy people who don’t know what they’re happy about…

It’s downright scary that we have a president, having access to the most confidential information, who would never be able to pass the most basic screening to work at the CIA or FBI. A short list of such disturbing associations:

Ali Abunimah
Bill Ayers
Bernardine Dohrn
Louis Farrakhan
Saul Alinsky
Rev. Jeremiah Wright
Rashid Khalidi
George Soros
Greg Craig
Marilyn Katz
Dorothy Tillman
Rev. James Meeks
Rev. Michael Pfleger
Rev. Joseph Lowery
Robert Blackwell, Jr.
ACORN
Project Vote
Cornel West
Mohamed Salim Al-Churbajaji
Jim Johnson
Robert Malley
Frank Marshall Davis
Tony Rezko
Jim Wallis
Joyce Wheeler
Tim Wheeler
Carl Davidson
Democratic Socialists of America
New Party
Socialist Scholars Conference

Would our founding fathers ever associate themselves with people or groups like these? Surely not.

Is this really the change people so desperately desire?

#32 By ONE nation 2:37p.m. on November 7, 2008

Senator McCain: "Sen. Obama and I had argued our differences and he has prevailed. No doubt many of those differences remain. These are difficult times for our country, and I pledge to him tonight to do all in my power to help him lead us in the many challenges that we face."

I think we'd all do well to remember, fellow posters, that it takes two to tear this country along partisan lines. Rather than ripping apart Miss Moore's impassioned rhetoric, we'd do better to remind her that we are one nation, under God. That the Americans who died on September 11th, in WWII, in Vietnam were liberal and conservative. And that we are blessed to live in a country which chooses its future by vote rather than the radicalism of a few.

#33 By Alumnus & Hiring Manager 3:23p.m. on November 7, 2008

Never fear, Elizabeth: when you are googled prior to your job interviews, this will likely help--and certainly not hurt.

No, I am not kidding.

To those who spew inanities along the lines of "how'd YOU get into Yale?!": glad to see that you honor diversity and independent thought. Personally, I think the author displays immense courage, knowing as she must the whacked-out goon-squad attacks that her article would foment.

#34 By Bimp 3:40p.m. on November 7, 2008

She would prefer a man who thought it was funny to sing "Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran"?

Palin is unqualified, while Obama has shown he is a manager, a leader and an inspirer.

Sorry, Elizabeth, I respectively disagree. It will be healthy for this nation to shelve the kind of fear you feel.

#35 By Howard 3:49p.m. on November 7, 2008

This essay serves as exhibit A for why the country needs No Drama Obama.

#36 By S 3:53p.m. on November 7, 2008

Actually, the girls at home during WWII were building the airplanes and working the farms while their husbands were overseas. They lived on rations--rations of food, and rations of various necessary materials. They were just as heroic as the men overseas.

Where you got your free love and marijuana during WWII idea, I don't even want to know. Not only have you misunderstood the chronology of our American wars, you have misunderstood what the liberation movements of the 60s and 70s actually meant. Like it or not, you, as a female Yale student, have benefited from the feminist movement in ways you probably don't even know about.

#37 By Bimp and Howard 3:54p.m. on November 7, 2008

To Post #31 2012

Perhaps you should consider adding our founding fathers to your list? They were rebels!

How do you people get into Yale?

#38 By Sid 3:55p.m. on November 7, 2008

Elizabeth, honestly, your tirade sounds demented. No matter what political differences you may have with the Democrats, do you really believe that someone who went to Punahou School, Columbia College, Harvard Law School, and was a Professor of Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago Law School for many years is really that radical? Do you really believe that someone who came from a "broken" home but who established his own nuclear family with a wife who went to Princeton and Harvard Law School and served as an executive at the University of Chicago hospital herself really wants to undermine the foundations of the country that has treated him so well? Do you really believe that someone who has written two autobiographical best sellers and who served as an elected representative in his state senate for 7 years and in the U.S. Senate for 4 is so irrational that he will undermine the "heroes of history?" Such propositions as yours are not credible in light of Barak Obama's life achievements. Relax and, as a senior, go look for a job. Unfortunately, thanks to the sublimely patriotic Bush Administration, they're not easy to find right now.

#39 By Riiiight. 4:01p.m. on November 7, 2008

SHENANIGANS.

#40 By (Anonymous) 4:01p.m. on November 7, 2008

You are so welcome, Elizabeth!

#41 By scared 4:18p.m. on November 7, 2008

Elizabeth - all of the columns you write for the daily news are filled with hate and judgment. I particularly liked the one where you judge protesters and attempt to know what is in their mind when rallying for their cause. And the one where you question whether income diversity in the Yale applicant pool is ethical also made me realize that your most recent "contribution" to the YDN is more of the same ranting by a close-minded hateful person.
You most recent abomination speaks about the principles our country was founded on and specifically references brother fighting brother in the name of "emancipation and equality." How can you state those values are gone - they have finally come to fruition 143 years after the end of the civil war. If anything, it is your beloved McCain who chose a running mate who clearly does not value equality for homosexuals, women who might need abortions in times of rape or incest, or alternate energy sources.
So while your flowery, incredibly over-dramatic prose talks about lack of perseverance, this election proves that persevering is exactly what got Obama into the White House. Our traditions have not failed us - they have finally led us to this point where someone other than white male can obtain the highest office.
Lastly, you mention the "freedom-hating masses who seek to destroy the rights to self defense, to the free practice of religion, to the rightful ownership of property and, most seriously, to the autonomous control of oneself," yet it is the fear-mongering GOP that has prohibited gay couples from adopting children in Arkansas and marrying in Arizona, Florida and California. You want to be afforded the rights you mention above, then you need to be sure you are not taking similar rights away from other Americans.
I respect Senator McCain a great deal for his service to our country, but his pandering to the conservative right lost him this election. Our country is moving forward to become a more INCLUSIVE place and there is no place for people who speak of "revolution" and attempt to judge the "true morality" of the masses. Perhaps listen to McCain's concession speech one more time. Or perhaps, give Obama a chance before judging him so quickly.
OH WAIT, JUDGING IS WHAT YOU DO BEST - AND YOUR TRACK RECORD IN THE YDN PROVES THAT.

#42 By Todd 4:23p.m. on November 7, 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcvQGeDqKHg

#43 By Goldie '08 5:10p.m. on November 7, 2008

A few things:

1) This is libel. You claim that Obama is "in favor of the promotion of the very same evil" that imprisoned McCain in Nam? Please! This is a bold faced lie and offensive. What "evil" do you speak of?

2) at 8 PM PST tuesday night, my neighbors and I passed around a "victory cigar" stuffed with the finest california grass. I find it funny that the conservatives who champion the "autonomous control of oneself" want to keep me from enjoying a plant or marrying another man.

3) This is not journalism. It is propoganda. You really don't deserve to be at Yale. Flowery propogandous prose and unsubstantiated fear mongering statements do not an editorial make.

4) please get a life

5) I could repeat earlier comments pointing out time inconcistencies (free love in WWII?) or misleading statements (claiming a lack of Alger-type tales when we just elected the nations first black president?!) but I really won't because it is clear to nearly everyone that you are a moron. And a likely bigot.

6) It's a good thing you are a senior, because this is the most alienating YDN editorial since Ned Fulmer called all athletes dumb jocks last year. And as a former athlete I'd glady buy Fulmer a beer before I'd engage you in intelligent debate, something you've shown yourself incapable of.

7) see my 4th point

#44 By OMG J/K LOL 5:23p.m. on November 7, 2008

This is satire guys, c'mon.

Right?

#45 By Give me dome, Moore 6:17p.m. on November 7, 2008

It's clear that Ms. Moore was referring to two different time periods in her article when she said "beaches of Normandy" and "marijuana and free love." It was a simple grammatical error and it's silly that you're all clinging to it. There are much graver errors (e.g. in general ideology) to be addressed in this piece.

#46 By Edmund 7:01p.m. on November 7, 2008

But guys, you missed the best news: America invented HEAT!! While heat was previously thought to be a fundamental consequence of the relentless onslaught of entropy, we now know that before 1776, friction resulted only in annoying squeaking noises!

#47 By Krista 7:03p.m. on November 7, 2008

I'm waiting for a 'gotcha!' moment when Ms. Moore tell us how she's only pulling our leg. That she's not truly this simple/close-minded. That her hyperbolic and trite article is a farce. And she doesn't really believe her countrymen should join her in subscribing to a fairytale version, unquestioning, self-righteous "patriotism." The sort of patriotism that is, after all, the last refuge of scoundrels.

Surely she knows that new heights of government surveillance, suspension of the writ of habeas corpus, continual warfare (i.e., the WOT), "reality control" (i.e., Karl Rove, Dick Cheney), strategic manipulation of the poor,
extraordinary rendition, the outright justification/support of torture and unprecedented abuses of executive power occurred during the Bush 43 administration.

I, for one, welcome the change that Obama represents and am proud of my fellow citizens for seeing through the kind of scare tactics and empty threats offered by the likes of Ms. Moore.

#48 By Elizabeth Moore (the author) 7:04p.m. on November 7, 2008

A note from the author:

Thank you everybody for the comments. It's great that people are reading.

Just a clarification on what seems to be an unclear metaphor on my part, regarding the litany of history and what each part of that sequence refers to:
Valley Forge = Revolutionary War
brother against brother = Civil War
Transcontinental Railroad, etc. = general industrial progress
beaches of Normandy = Word War II
marijuana and free love = Vietnam War
New York City = September 11th

I hope that helps and straightens that paragraph out for the people who were confused about it.

#49 By I wish 7:27p.m. on November 7, 2008

@ #44, no this is not. Isn't that insane?

@ Todd #42. Thanks for the link :) I hope Ms. Moore takes a look at the video. ...

#50 By ^^^ 7:43p.m. on November 7, 2008

Yeah, seriously. I really thought it was satire.

I guess ppl who seem to know Elizabeth think otherwise though....

#51 By Luis M. 9:20p.m. on November 7, 2008

"Oh Luis, how I loved your inane babble during section, glad to see you still sipping the Kool-Aid."

Oh teehee, I see I have a secret admirer! It's too bad you're too shy to talk to me directly, I can't seem to remember you at all. Look me up #4, I can give you all that inane babble you love over coffee.

And I'd rather be sipping Kool-Aid right now than eating bitter fruit.

#52 By Luis M. 10:27p.m. on November 7, 2008

Penicillin? How did American perseverance allow a Scottish scientist, Alexander Fleming, to discover penicillin?

#53 By Luis M. 10:28p.m. on November 7, 2008

It's been a while since I read the Op-Eds, but the 47 comments (as of Friday evening) caught my attention.

Like many of the above commenters, I initially had a hard time believing this wasn't a joke -- the "repetitive paragraph opening" trope is best used for punchlines. Having Facebooked Ms. Moore, however, I'm reasonably sure she's for real. Also, unpleasant.

Still, her political views, while hilarious, are not anathema to Yale or these pages; there's just usually an argument behind them. This piece just shrilly accuses President-Elect Obama of being a Manchurian candidate, celebrates the candidate who actually spent five and a half years in the hands of the Vietnamese, then calls for a strong reaffirmation of undefined principles among the members of "our party" (presumably the Republican Party, which understandably didn't mention its own name much this year). Oh, and in the middle there's George Washington and some muddled historical imagery.

Ms. Moore isn't a bad writer, but if she's going to assert such an impassioned thesis, I'd be interested to read an actual argument to back it up. Instead, she laments the dearth of Horatio Alger stories in contemporary America -- like, say, that of a poor Hawaiian kid raised by his grandmother who got into Columbia and Harvard Law and became America's first black president -- and our failure to further reward John McCain, the humble son and grandson of admirals who traded on nepotism for the first half of his life and dumped his crippled first wife to spend his waning years as a beer heiress' trophy husband. Ah, work ethic.

Like her fallen champion, Ms. Moore should focus more on ideas and less on angry rhetoric.

#54 By Luis M. 1:02a.m. on November 8, 2008

Come on, this type of joke from Yalies is old already. "No, I really did have an abortion!" "No, I really am a raving conservative!"

You should have to a bit more clever - a bit more original - to fool us.

#55 By Luis M. 1:28a.m. on November 8, 2008

An extremely well written article, incisive and compelling, perhaps singularly so. The author presents what could be the strongest case for abortion I've encountered thus far.

#56 By Luis M. 1:31a.m. on November 8, 2008

Newsflash: America had nothing to do with penicillin's invention.

"The discovery of penicillin is attributed to Scottish scientist Alexander Fleming in 1928. The development of penicillin for use as a medicine is attributed to the Australian Nobel Laureate Howard Walter Florey.

"However, several others reported the bacteriostatic effects of Penicillium earlier than Fleming. The first published reference appears to have been in 1875, in the Royal Society in London by John Tyndall.[1] Ernest Duchesne documented it in his 1897 paper which was not accepted by the Institut Pasteur because of his young age. In March 2000, doctors at the San Juan de Dios Hospital in San Jose (Costa Rica) published the manuscripts of the Costa Rican scientist and medical doctor Clodomiro (Clorito) Picado Twight (1887–1944). They reported Picado's observations on the inhibitory actions of fungi of the genus Penic between 1915 and 1927. Picado reported his discovery to the Paris Academy of Sciences, yet did not patent it, even though his investigations started years before Fleming's."

-courtesy of Wikipedia

#57 By Luis M. 1:32a.m. on November 8, 2008

Ms. Moore seems to imply that the only kind of hero we should recognize is a war hero. While I honor the sacrifice both my grandfathers and countless other family members made in times of conflict, I believe in my heart of hearts that change for the better is only possible when we insist on nonviolent solutions, as did my heroes, MLK, Jr. and Rosa Parks. Furthermore, I believe my grandmother, who took a "man's job" in a munitions factory during WWII, was just as much a hero for the sacrifices she made as my grandfather was. This editorial is as insulting to her memory as it is to all others who have worked so hard to make this moment in history possible. Ms. Moore should be ashamed.

#58 By (Anonymous) 1:43a.m. on November 8, 2008

There's a whole lot of talk about god here, but not one mention of peace.

#59 By (Anonymous) 1:47a.m. on November 8, 2008

Moore's editorial has little or nothing to do with rational argument, and it is useless to treat it as though it did. Even if every single one of her 'arguments' (they qualify with a sufficiently loose definition of the term) were unquestionably refuted, the wondrous (and frightening) capacity of the human mind to cling to untenable beliefs based on an emotional decisions would leave Moore unshaken in her belief that Obama is a liberty-hating anti-American (and, it would seem, a terrorist to boot.) With a few minor changes, Moore's entire article could be directed equally as vehemently against McCain, and be equally immune from any sort of rational criticism; this sort of 'debate' does nothing to establish who is right, it simply establishes who feels what.

My personal view is that the existence of such people, while perhaps not the ideal state of affairs, does at least serve to make life more interesting - and, if such people don't become too rabid, isn't necessarily a terrible thing. Where I have a problem is when such people start attempting to impose their personal, emotionally-based ideology on others, without attempting to resort to any sort of reasonable or rational dialogue. We have a fairly substantial body of evidence to show the dangers and costs of such attempts, and I would hope that among (theoretically), thoughtful, educated, and intelligent people, we could achieve something a little more productive.

The conclusion I take away is that the article Moore produced is devoid of any importance or meaning, except as a case study for this type of argument and an intimation of the potential dangers such argument engenders. She, like anyone else, is perfectly within her rights to cling to any sort of irrational beliefs she may choose to hold, and if she chooses to share those beliefs with the outside world that is likewise entirely her decision. I would hope that the Yale student body would be sufficiently sophisticated to not be influenced by such an appeal, or even to react to it as anything more than a (somewhat) more complex version of the tantrums unhappy infants use to express themselves.

#60 By ArmyWife 10:38a.m. on November 8, 2008

Ms. Moore, I am proud of you. I understand the dramatic flourish to your piece is due to your youthful passion for this topic. As you mature, you will be something to behold and a force to be reckoned with.

While you read the comments accusing you of being illogical, irrational, unkind, as well as the obligatory racist reference, bear in mind they are engaging in the same behaviors for which they criticize you. For future conversations with liberals, always remember "uniting" and "peaceful discourse" means agreeing with them lock, stock and barrel - pun kind of intended. Take solace in the fact that many of your critics will join your position after graduation and upon facing the real world of taxes. There is much to be said of the adage "you become conservative once you have something to conserve."

This election is only historic in that we've finally moved beyond racial inequality. The rest was predictable based on the current state of the economy. As I am sure you understand, the economy failure does not lie in the lap of "McBushHitler" but in the laps of the Democrats and their distinct lack of economic understanding. Despite this truth, the public has elected a candidate that will bring about change no one can articulate, but somehow it was enough.

It is impossible for President Elect Obama to deliver on his campaign promises. Many will be greatly disappointed in this administration, and I don't mean the Republicans. He has already begun to quietly and not so quietly backtrack on campaign promises made but 3 days ago such as erasing his draft into public service requirement from his website, hiring lobbyists to his administration, choosing the most partisan hack available as his Chief of Staff.

Chin up, girl. Out of Carter we got Reagan, and this great Country of ours will be just fine.

#61 By :P 10:38a.m. on November 8, 2008

tl;dr: appeals to emotion rather than an actual argument

#62 By (Anonymous) 11:04a.m. on November 8, 2008

Wow, this is disgusting. I hope the YDN doesn't permit you to write anything further.

#63 By (Anonymous) 12:03p.m. on November 8, 2008

To Poster #4 (who says "Get ready for the Black Jimmy Carter"):

We should be so lucky.

#64 By Maureen 12:21p.m. on November 8, 2008

Thank you for words.

I dare anyone to refute the facts presented about Obama's associations with terrorists and radicals.

But you know what? I'll be waiting a long time. There are no facts to refute it.

So, thanks, America. Thanks for electing a man who supports the murder of infants, a man who has a close personal relationship with a racist, America-hating pastor, a man who consorts with and is influenced by a domestic terrorist. And that's just a few of his qualities. Unfortunately, we will all suffer the consequences of your decision.

And I will hold YOU responsible.

#65 By Dave 1:48p.m. on November 8, 2008

"marijuana and free love = Vietnam War" ???

I don't know, this sounds pretty close to the way my father has described his experience while serving in Vietnam. my father, a Reagan Democrat who proudly voted for Obama.

Also surprised no one has questioned her bizarre use of the building of the transcontinental railroad--a case study in racist, capitalist exploitation--as a paragon of American "perseverance." Yeah, a shining testament you found there . . .

#66 By YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS 2:06p.m. on November 8, 2008

You left out the facts in your commentary. oops.

#67 By (Anonymous) 2:26p.m. on November 8, 2008

Penicillin? That was Scottish.

And pioneer industry? Most of the pioneering of inustry as a concept had already been done before the USA arrived on the scene.

Additional points:
1. The world hasn't really respected America since 1898 when it started to wage its foreign wars.

2. Any idea that the "American Dream" (what is this anyway?) was actually enjoyed by more than a few is absurd. America has always been a land of corruption.

3. John McCain's military service doesn't qualify him to be President.

Besides, what about governments that let people die in the cold outside hospitals (metaphorically) whilst they talk about God?

#68 By HA 2:51p.m. on November 8, 2008

"golden Horatio Alger"?

From Huber, Richard (1971), The American Idea of Success, New York: McGraw-Hill, p. 45-6:
"Horatio Alger, Jr. has been practicing on [the boys of the church] at different times deeds that are too revolting to relate...gross immorality, and a most heinous crime, a crime of no less magnitude than the abominable and revolting crime of unnatural familiarity with boys. . . . which he neither denied or attempted to extenuate but received it with apparent calmness of an old offender—and hastily left town on the very next train for parts unknown."

So, Horatio Alger became a child-molester when he grew up... golden success story?

#69 By k 6:59p.m. on November 8, 2008

excellent article

#70 By Andrew F. 7:23p.m. on November 8, 2008

And people wonder why the Republican Party is in a downward spiral...when the loudest people in your party promote blind hatred and perpetuate widely-discredited lies, this is the kind of screed you end up with

Unless, of course, this is satire. I still have a hard time believing that she is serious.

#71 By Andrew F. 8:18p.m. on November 8, 2008

I wholeheartedly second this letter. There are so many other places in this world for all the people who voted for Obama to move to. You do not have to stay in this country and ruin everything for people who actually care about the well-being of America.

#72 By Dan K. 9:36p.m. on November 8, 2008

Yale Daily News Opinion page: It is time for some quality control. I know you are interested in providing the counterbalancing, conservative point of view in the wake of this election. That's fine, even laudable, but please make sure that the articles you print contain actual arguments, not just well-crafted prose and incendiary rhetoric. This should be a universal standard for any op-ed that you run.

You take deserved pride in being the voice of the college and an important sounding board for the community. But editorial responsibility must accompany that privilege. This demands inclusiveness on your part, but also discretion. Dialogue at Yale is lessened when you stoop to printing sensationalist diatribes.

#73 By Eamon M. 11:02p.m. on November 8, 2008

It doesn't require courage to publish something like this at Yale -- recklessness, unseriousness, thoughtlessness, and a consuming desire for attention will all suffice.

#74 By A Disgusted McCain supporter 2:18a.m. on November 9, 2008

You are an embarrassment to this institution and all other McCain supporters. You are intolerant, ignorant, and brainwashed to the point where you can no longer see the lack of reason in your argument. If I wanted to slowly torture myself, I'd watch clips of you, Elizabeth Hasselbeck, and Ann Coulter spewing your nonsense. Any pride I have for America and my party disappears when I read this ridiculous drivel. Nice "flowery" language towards the middle - I think the snow description was really necessary to your argument. Someone took a writing seminar...

You're an embarrassment to our party, Yale's reputation, and shut the Hell up. He's our President-elect, and most of the country disagrees with you. Maybe, just MAYBE, you didn't see something that the rest of them did. I voted McCain, but at least I can see logic in supporting Obama now. I'm an American, no matter who our President is.

Moron. You're welcome.

#75 By infants? 2:31a.m. on November 9, 2008

# 64 - I cannot STAND when people say "a man who supports the murdering of infants." It's not like he stands at a podium and says "I am pro-murdering babies." It is an insult to women to simplify abortions to simply the blind murder of infants, and it's also just wrong. An infant is how you refer to someone a few months old. No, Barack Obama does not support the blind killing of babies on their 4-month birthdays. My God.

Additionally, it sounds like Heart of Darkness and like someone who is crazy, enraged, unloving, and scary. If you would use those words to define Barack Obama, you have not been watching closely enough. He has two daughters, and MIRACULOUSLY he forgot to kill them when they were infants. Oops!?

Moore - you have ignorant supporters, too! Lucky girl. What loyal followers.

#76 By Yale 81 10:45a.m. on November 9, 2008

YOU need a shot oe penicillin. And a map. And a history professor. And an Obama victory in 2012.

#77 By TD4life 11:01a.m. on November 9, 2008

Please tell me this editorial is an "act of performance art" (like the whole abortion scandal last spring).

#78 By (Anonymous) 12:34p.m. on November 9, 2008

Moore,
You made a big mistake.
-America

#79 By new haven original 12:35p.m. on November 9, 2008

I have many thoughts and responses but they all boil down to: "thank god you and your kind are out of the whitehouse and out of power-- your fear and insecurity is worn as badge of armor--truly bizarre"

#80 By zurch 1:06p.m. on November 9, 2008

I think you're posting this four and eight years too late because you must be talking about George W. Bush.

#81 By wiseone 3:32p.m. on November 9, 2008

Heh guys, take it easy on Ms Moore, Give her a credit for signing her name to her argument even though it is misbegotten. That fact alone puts her ahead of the many anonymous and gutless ones on both sides of political history. I agree she is wrong . She is allowed to be and so are we. She is allowed to audition for Ann Coulters job, but I would caution that Coulter's shelflife is limited. Barack won,partially, because all -the center center right and left -are sick of what she represents.

#82 By George P. 6:15p.m. on November 9, 2008

Whatever happened to the free discussion of ideas? Ms. Moore has evidently committed the ultimate sin of having a different opinion than most of you, and all of a sudden, it's "libel", she's a moron, "bizarre," she shouldn't have been accepted to Yale. Calm down, people, and please understand that sometimes (shocker!) you will find people that don't agree with you, and we still have freedom of speech and ideas, for now.

#83 By George P. 6:47p.m. on November 9, 2008

This was an excellent article.

#84 By Supporter 8:18p.m. on November 9, 2008

You are dead on.....the msm has forced the election of someone so radical that the media themselves have now been forced to reveal that they have no idea what he is about to do. And I agree that the President-elect is for the murder of infants despite others argument that an infant is a baby over 4mo old (where did you graduate from?) He is for (and voted 4 TIMES to support his point) the withholding of care from infants born alive despite the mother's wishes and these infants are given certificates of live birth like any other baby. The difference is that they are left to die of exposure and neglegence and soon given death certificates. It has little to do with the right to kill a child through abortion and everything to do with neglegent homicide. You are so worried about the rights of women that you ignore the rights of these children to life and liberty. If you can't protect the most helpless and innocent among us, how can you be trusted to protect any of us. Mr. Obama is callous and uncaring when it comes to this topic and it bodes badly for his ability to preside with fairness and justice for the rest of us.

#85 By LOOOL 10:54p.m. on November 9, 2008

What a poorly written, sappy piece of drivel. Can any Yale undergrads/alums imagine if she had turned this into a Yale professor? Oh the red ink that would bleed through the page - would that I were as horrible at creating imagery and useless, fact-less diatribes as Moore so that I could insert an inappropriate metaphor here lol.

#86 By Testicleese 12:01a.m. on November 10, 2008

I found this entire letter and especially this comment incredibly entertaining:

"I wholeheartedly second this letter. There are so many other places in this world for all the people who voted for Obama to move to. You do not have to stay in this country and ruin everything for people who actually care about the well-being of America."

Firstly, the author of the letter decided to regurgitate a paragraph of stale conservative vomit, hoping that somehow enough Americans will write their congressmen and have Obama impeached before even being sworn in for "palling around with terrorists."
What followed, though, took the cake by far. You simply enlightened us with some knowledge from middle school, embellishing, of course, on the strain placed on Washington's men right before they fought a hard battle with incredibly drunk Germans.

To the person who wrote the above comment: clearly you do not understand a concept of a democracy. Since those men in the letter pioneered this concept for the first time in millenia, evidently you missed the last nine-tenths. I have yet to understand how exactly it is within the limits of human comprehension to merely suggest that because 53% of Americans don't agree that the country should be run by an angry old men, they should leave the country.
Whatever.

#87 By Heard this before? 12:11a.m. on November 10, 2008

"next to of course god america i
love you land of the pilgrims' and so forth oh
say can you see by the dawn's early my
country 'tis of centuries come and go
and are no more what of it we should worry
in every language even deafanddumb
thy sons acclaim your glorious name by gorry
by jingo by gee by gosh by gum
why talk of beauty what could be more beaut-
iful than these heroic happy dead
who rushed like lions to the roaring slaughter
they did not stop to think they died instead
then shall the voice of liberty be mute?"

He spoke. And drank rapidly a glass of water

(Cummings)

#88 By Mabel Mather 12:18a.m. on November 10, 2008

Your article sheds light on the ways historic political events are misrepresented to the public and demonstrates how the misunderstanding of historic events is perpetuated over time.
The Civil War was fought over states' rights, and had absolutely nothing to do with "emancipation and equality". Also, "finding" gold in the West had nothing to do with American perserverance, and everything to do with the federally sanctioned rape and murder of many thousands of people.
It is a shame that the rhetoric of the privileged class finds its way into history texts and appears as fact. Hopefully 100 years from now our great-grandchildren will not be reading Moore's version of our current events.

#89 By Ugh 12:19a.m. on November 10, 2008

PLEASE stop saying Obama supports the murder of babies. It's inaccurate. He may fail to believe that a fetus should be able to qualify for the same rights as those already born. He may also fail to believe that banning abortions is the best way to stop people from having them. Both of these are points on which reasonable people may fall on different sides. However, it is NOT reasonable to claim that Obama supports the wanton slaughter of innocents.

Even McCain used to be pro-choice, before he realized he needed the issues voters in order to have any chance at all. It's not as barbaric as you want it to sound. Neither is it as barbaric to be pro-life as many women's rights advocates want it to sound. We're not going to get anywhere on this issue until each side agrees to give an inch.

#90 By 1.20.13 End of the Error 12:40a.m. on November 10, 2008

Elizabeth, just remember, it's a win-win situation for those of us who are dismayed at the outcome of this election. Either we're going to be happily (and wildly) amazed and surprised if Obama does a good job, or we'll get the chance to say, "na-na-boo-boo" to all the fools who voted for him when he totally screws up. The latter is the most likely scenario.

#91 By Neonatal ICU Nurse 12:45a.m. on November 10, 2008

To poster #75 - I've taken care of abortions who've lived. Have you? Obama would deny these living victims the dignity of appropriate health care when they come out breathing and crying. Could you do the same? You have no idea what you're talking about. He absolutely is talking about killing babies. So just shut up.

#92 By This article 3:18a.m. on November 10, 2008

was certainly interesting. I'll give it that.

the YDN opinion page certainly isn't boring!

#93 By A HARVARD Man 6:14a.m. on November 10, 2008

Sid,

Did you ever hear of AFFIRMATIVE ACTION? Why do you think he wouldn't release his grades?

#94 By Ayesha F. 6:51a.m. on November 10, 2008

his isn't conservatism, or the final cry of an embarassed and dissapointed republican, you are a vehement racist Elizabeth and as a Yale alumn, it saddens me that this was published. This man's entire life epitomizes the American dream.And for perseverance, to say that this man who has defied all
odds in American politics has not persevered is just obviously false...and to insinuate even that a Black man couldn't demonstrate perseverance when from the Revolutionary to Vietnam War blacks stood on the front lines in this hypocritical country's defense, protecting a democracy that didn't
protect them is another low blow and critical error. To say this Black man with Black wife and funny name is unAmerican and strays from the foundation of this country is a cover up Elizabeth... What you intended to say in that lenghy appeal to your fellow racist comPatriots is that because he is a
Black man, he is a mistake and you'd rather possibly have a close minded, hate spewing, clueless woman in the oval office at this country's most critical hour than a man that your ancestors could have owned hundreds of years ago. November 4th was AMERICA IN IT'S FINEST HOUR. This was a victory of
the People. Not just the Blacks, or the liberals or the youth.When have thousands of people in cities around the world and our country poured into the streets to celebrate the election of the president. There isn't enough kool-aid in the world. The world loves this man, including our so called
enemy's, because his presidency is America making good on it's promise and the gospel it preaches to the rest of the world. Finally we stand on the very pillars we designed and honestly in such perilous times I don't mind that our so called enemies like him too. While eloquent, you're racist
manifesto is antiquated and pathethetic.

#95 By Ayesha F. 8:27a.m. on November 10, 2008

"It is this perseverance that hung on the last breathes [sic!] of the young soldiers dying on the beaches of Normandy and that wrote loyal letters to the unfaithful girls back home too poisoned by marijuana and free love to write back."

You could really do with a remedial writing course (as well as remedial spelling, history, civics, ethics ...).

Now I understand how George W. Bush could emerge from Yale with his natural ignorance intact!

#96 By Ayesha F. 9:23a.m. on November 10, 2008

I think the President-Elect said it best himself:

"If it sounds incredible that I would vote to withhold lifesaving treatment from an infant, that's because it's not true. The -- here are the facts.

There was a bill that was put forward before the Illinois Senate that said you have to provide lifesaving treatment and that would have helped to undermine Roe v. Wade. The fact is that there was already a law on the books in Illinois that required providing lifesaving treatment, which is why not only myself but pro-choice Republicans and Democrats voted against it.

And the Illinois Medical Society, the organization of doctors in Illinois, voted against it. Their Hippocratic Oath would have required them to provide care, and there was already a law in the books.

With respect to partial-birth abortion, I am completely supportive of a ban on late-term abortions, partial-birth or otherwise, as long as there's an exception for the mother's health and life, and this did not contain that exception.

And I attempted, as many have in the past, of including that so that it is constitutional. And that was rejected, and that's why I voted present, because I'm willing to support a ban on late-term abortions as long as we have that exception.

The last point I want to make on the issue of abortion. This is an issue that -- look, it divides us. And in some ways, it may be difficult to -- to reconcile the two views.

But there surely is some common ground when both those who believe in choice and those who are opposed to abortion can come together and say, "We should try to prevent unintended pregnancies by providing appropriate education to our youth, communicating that sexuality is sacred and that they should not be engaged in cavalier activity, and providing options for adoption, and helping single mothers if they want to choose to keep the baby."

Those are all things that we put in the Democratic platform for the first time this year, and I think that's where we can find some common ground, because nobody's pro-abortion. I think it's always a tragic situation."

#97 By FreeRadical 11:28a.m. on November 10, 2008

"Palin is unqualified, while Obama has shown he is a manager, a leader and an inspirer."

How pray tell can you judge Governor Palin to be "Unqualified" and go on to call Obama a "Manager, leader and inspirer" ?

Incredible, simply incredible. You are another product of the liberal educational system that has done more to undermine American ethics and morality than the MSM has.

When the electricity runs out and you cant watch MTV or load your IPod, your belly becomes empty and the $$$ "Get paid without working" jobs dry up you will then and only then wish for a more "Substantial" education, academically and politically...

#98 By america 12:09p.m. on November 10, 2008

you're welcome :0)

#99 By Public School Teacher 12:31p.m. on November 10, 2008

Are you okay?

I am shocked that you are from such a prestigious university, but then again, George Bush graduated from Yale.

#100 By Hieronymus 1:46p.m. on November 10, 2008

Wow: Aliza Schvartz got more respect!

#101 By Yale09 2:46p.m. on November 10, 2008

Amazing.

A Yale student dares to challenge the monopoly of thought on campus and suddenly she is called a racist?

Thank you Elizabeth! A thousand times, THANK YOU!

I would vote for YOU!

Moore-Jindal 2025?

Think about it GOP

#102 By James 3:40p.m. on November 10, 2008

Palin's label as a "wack-job" has nothing on you.

You are simply living in a world that doesn't exist. I will not even spare the time to comment in-detail on your article because it is beneath me and the fine institution you are attending.

It is your own insane, loathing, and fear-spreading ideology that convinces the rest of us that we were right. Your comments have no basis in reality; they have no grounding in political realty or moral philosophy. You throw around concepts and ideas - while making absurd comparisons - that you have never truly comprehended. In your case, Yale has failed its mission to educate.

Thank you for reminding the rest of us that that this country still has some demons to exercise if we wish to obtain a better tomorrow.

#103 By Anonymous 3:44p.m. on November 10, 2008

"You obliterated the necessity of a man with a heart understanding of sacrifice, hard work, and perseverance...."

Oh, yes, a man who has been on government-paid healthcare since his conception but refuses it for working folks who have none, a man who barely made it out of the Naval Academy, a man who crashed several expensive planes with his devil-may-care flying habits, a man who, on returning from Vietnam to a woman who had been waiting 5 1/2 years and rearing their kids on her own, immediately began philandering with one woman after another, a man who could not control his campaign staff nor stick to his pledge to run a "clean campaign", a man who picked an embarrassment for a running mate to pander to the far right and Clinton supporters, a man who in his concession speech diminished the obstacles faced by minorities in the 100 years since B. Washington sat with T. Roosevelt.

A real American hero.

I am not taking anything away from his experience in 'Nam nor his refusal to go home when it was offered, I am only putting this in perspective of his entire life.

#104 By (Anonymous) 5:00p.m. on November 10, 2008

Please tell me that this young woman is not a history major and/or English major. It would be even better if this is a hoax.

Some basic facts: The first shot in the American Revolution was fired on April 19, 1776, so there was no need for anyone to leave home "many Christmases before" to fight in the Battle of Trenton, which took place 8 months later.

Americans didn't invent heat--what on earth do you mean about bringing heat to the world?!!!

During the Battle of Normandy, as 9,000 GIs lay dead on the beach or in the water, mail service was suspended, so soldiers were not expecting letters either before or after their "last breathes." (I mean, seriously, does this young woman think that they held mail call between bullets?!!!) Moreover, though a few people did use pot even in the forties, its use certainly wasn't widespread. Does this young woman somehow think that the Battle of Normandy took place during the Vietnam War?

Couldn't the YDN come up with a conservative who isn't this ill-informed?

#105 By yalie05 7:09p.m. on November 10, 2008

penicillin = Fleming...SCOTTISH...take some HSHM classes...Naomi Rogers, Frank Snowden, and others are laughing at you

#106 By (Anonymous) 7:55p.m. on November 10, 2008

moore is a moron.

#107 By Reuben B. 8:49p.m. on November 10, 2008

Yale09: "A Yale student dares to challenge the monopoly of thought on campus and suddenly she is called a racist?"

You must not have kept in touch with political discourse during election season (I can't blame you for that, really). Don't you know that *everyone* who disapproves of Obama is a racist? (That of course includes black people who vehemently oppose Obama like Clarence Thomas, Alan Keyes and Thomas Sowell, who are all uncle toms). This is what political discourse has come to in this country thanks to the far Left.

#108 By (Anonymous) 10:57p.m. on November 10, 2008

Please stop writing. You're embarrassing us.

Signed,

- God, Country & Yale

#109 By wow 2:50a.m. on November 11, 2008

This is how I get to know about this article-

http://cornellsun.com/section/opinion/content/2008/11/10/lets-keep-it-civil-election-post-mortem

#110 By (Anonymous) 6:14a.m. on November 11, 2008

your fellow classmates are unamerican and uneduacted. this article not only unveils the degredation of conservatism in the name of progressive government cohersion, but it also reveals the fundemental lack of respect for the American founding.
Thank you, Elizabeth. You are a great American.

#111 By Hieronymus 9:47a.m. on November 11, 2008

If ever you needed an example of the sheer social oppression and silencing that any non-liberal must suffer on today's campus, you can see it here in the bulk of these comments.

Remember the old SILENCE = DEATH?

Well, it applies on the conservative side as well, my friends.

Hypocrites.

#112 By Alumn '07 10:15a.m. on November 11, 2008

This is the first time I read the YDN in about a year. I think it will probably be the last time. A progressive tax system, which is here to stay, is not even in the same ballpark as Communist China or the Soviet Union. It is insulting to those who lived through Stalin or Mao to make such ridiculous comments.

Also, why do conservatives keep on insisting that Liberals and Democrats don't know anything about the economy? I point to the last 100 years where Democratic Presidents (aside from Jimmy Carter. Even still, you point to Carter, I point to Nixon...) have consistently overseen higher performing U.S economies than Republican Presidents.

#113 By Marty 10:33a.m. on November 11, 2008

Congratulations to Elizabeth Moore for provoking so many comments! Way easier said than done.

#114 By (Anonymous) 2:59p.m. on November 11, 2008

"According to Sam Stovall, chief investment strategist at Standard & Poor's Equity Research, between 1945 and 2007 the S&P 500 rose 10.7 percent annually when Democrats occupied the White House, compared with a 7.6 percent annual increase under Republicans." - Slate

And to anyone with national security concerns under President-Elect Obama:
Don't be stupid.

#115 By Economics 3:43p.m. on November 11, 2008

@ Alumn '07

It is a false assumption to claim that a Republican or Democrat in the White House is responsible for economic growth.

The market is beyond such trivialities.

The real barometer is that the economy grows at its greatest pace when the Presidency and the Congress are controlled by opposing parties.

Then nothing gets done and the business people are left alone to grow our economy.

#116 By a junior 4:43p.m. on November 11, 2008

I've been at Yale for two and a half years. I voted for Barack Obama, but some of my closest friends here are on the other side of the political spectrum. I respect them greatly. They voted for McCain because they respected his military career. They preferred his tax plan. They felt Obama was more of a rockstar than an experienced, legitimate politician. All of these reasons, I personally disagree with and yet still respect. This article, however, is a discredit to those friends who could craft an argument against Obama and for McCain without bringing in speculation, false accusations, and an inability to step back and see that whether they wanted Obama to be president or not, his election on Tuesday night was an extraordinary moment in American history that can give us hope for race relations in America.
I want to ask other YDN readers who, were like me, horrified by this article to criticize the article for its scary distortions. Let's not be annoying Yale grammarians, correcting for small (and large, offensive) mistakes,losing sight of exactly what makes this opinion piece scary.

I am torn as to whether the YDN should have published this or not. It sparked a discussion that no article has for a while. However, I am confident that a piece of this nature would never have found its way into the editorial pages of The Washington Post or The New York Times. Neither would a piece that lauded Barack Obama in the unsubstantiated idol-worship language that I have seen on certain blogs. No, in those newspapers, the editorial pages are reserved for rational, substantiated arguments on both sides of political thought.

I want to end by saying that I love America, and I challenge anyone to say that my voting for Barack Obama means anything else.

I would also like to remind Elizabeth Moore that some of the "fat, uncalloused hands" that are getting checks from the government belong to Vietnam veterans...and many are getting no checks at all. I feel more strongly about getting our veterans (all heroes, though not all decorated)off of the streets than I feel about getting them into the White House.

#117 By Jake Velker 5:37p.m. on November 11, 2008

I think we've found Sarah Palin's running mate. Nothing fills me with more glee than the histrionics of fallen conservatives like the author of this editorial. And to all the Democrats out there who were appalled by this editorial: fight that urge! It's crazies like the author who help us win.

#118 By Palin2012 11:37p.m. on November 11, 2008

Wait till 2012. We'll show them!

#119 By Eamon M. 8:27a.m. on November 12, 2008

I have been reading the YDN since graduating, but no longer. I'm not often embarrassed of my alma mater, but this piece makes me want to go back to saying that I went to a school in Connecticut. What arrogant, ridiculous ranting. With all the comments on this forum, why has the News not given a response?

#120 By Eamon M. 9:15a.m. on November 12, 2008

It'll be news to the Scots that Alexander Fleming was American. Plus what is the gibberish about soldiers at Normandy (1944) writing home to their girlfriends in the Sixties? And is she really saying Americans invented industry and fire? Doesn't anyone proofread these pieces?

#121 By Alcibiades 9:35a.m. on November 12, 2008

This is excellent news... For Hillary!!!

#122 By 180 9:48a.m. on November 12, 2008

Awe how cute. A little Jonah Goldberg in the making. Nice shtick and perfectly executed flame. Good luck on your future career as a GOP talking head. We're all a little tired of Coulter anywway.

#123 By Princeton '08 12:05p.m. on November 12, 2008

This has to be a joke.

#124 By Princeton>Yale 12:11p.m. on November 12, 2008

Is this satire? Or is it just the most unfounded, largely irrelevant argument I've set eyes on since peer tutoring in high school? And I won't even go into its various affronts to English prose.

Ms. Moore, It's time for you to respect the most hallowed American tradition of all: The people have spoken. Get over it, buck up, and be a real patriot.

#125 By Nirvanayoda 2:48p.m. on November 12, 2008

That's so Gravens!

#126 By Recent Alum 3:59p.m. on November 12, 2008

"However, I am confident that a piece of this nature would never have found its way into the editorial pages of The Washington Post or The New York Times."

Hilarious comment. While this is obviously true, this is more telling of the New York Times and Washington Post biases than anything else. After all, the New York Times publishes far more over-the-top pieces against Bush (and during election season, McCain or Palin) on a daily basis (see any NYT editorial or any column by Maureen Dowd, Frank Rich, Paul Krugman).

#127 By ac 4:12p.m. on November 12, 2008

Ms. Moore, now that you have completed your Two Minutes Hate, do you feel better?

#128 By James 4:54p.m. on November 12, 2008

"It is this perseverance that hung on the last breathes of the young soldiers dying on the beaches of Normandy and that wrote loyal letters to the unfaithful girls back home too poisoned by marijuana and free love to write back."

This sounds like something personal - it's very specific. Was your grandfather betrayed thus or something?

It's ok, Ms. Moore. I assure you that you'll grow out of this purple phase.

#129 By Scy 4:54p.m. on November 12, 2008

If not satire, this is indeed one of the most astoundingly ignorant rant I have read in my 70 years.

As a former judge and attorney, and having actually SEE fascism, be assured that this is a new dawn for America. We have just rid ourselves of EXACTLY what you claim we elected.

#130 By BigDog 5:03p.m. on November 12, 2008

Bet I could beat you all up you bunch of geeks

#131 By JR 5:29p.m. on November 12, 2008

You have hit the nail squarely on the head, Ms Moore. Funny to see the same crowd that has completely demonized George W. Bush since before the 2000 election, now demand deferential reverence towards The One.

I, for one, will give The One the same level of respect and deference as their side has given GWB for the last 8 years. I mean, it's only fair, right?

#132 By Tatt 5:34p.m. on November 12, 2008

Thank you so much, Elzabeth. Extraordinarily well put. And unexpectedly so. We are proud to have you, on the side of freedom.

#133 By fullchroma 6:03p.m. on November 12, 2008

Brava, Ms. Moore! Keep writing and don't let the fools silence you or get you down. (The truth makes them so uneasy!)

#134 By John 6:15p.m. on November 12, 2008

I have to admit this is my first experience at witnessing the stunning lack of intelligence and the incredible intolerance I had heard about in our nations so called Ivy League schools. Great opinion Elizabeth! Nothing wrong with being proud of America and against those who wish to destroy her.

For those of you who doubt Your Chosen One's obsession with killing babies look at what his "future" administration has told us this week. The Office of the President Elect once officially taking office will direct his Office of the President to reverse President Bush's Executive Order banning federal taxpayer dollars funding killing babies in other countries. Your President is not simply happy with killing babies here, he has to use taxpayer dollars to kill them everywhere he can. How repugnant, crude and liberal.

I will leave you with this;

"You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot further the brotherhood of many by encouraging class hatred. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than you earn. You cannot build character and courage by taking away mans initiative and independence. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves."
- Abraham Lincoln

#135 By RJ 6:44p.m. on November 12, 2008

...Because the guy that drove America into a senseless, fruitless war for ambiguous reasons totally deserves the same amount of respect as the guy that spoke against it. Totally fair, totally reasonable.

Calling GWB a jack-ass is harsh, but given his track-record, the title sort of fits. Saying Barack Obama, who has yet to make any major political mistakes or even advocate one (and given the war, he had plenty of opportunities to do so), promotes 'unadulterated evil' is not only untrue but absolutely ridiculous. Even those to the far left wouldn't call GWB a promoter of unadulterated evil -- despite his role in throwing in a country in civil war and attempting to police the world.

#136 By Yale '06 8:51p.m. on November 12, 2008

"you passed over the greatness of a man who stared death in its sallow face for over 2,000 days, in the wake of torture by the enemy as motivated by pure, unadulterated evil, for ..."

Is there a class in basic grammar in English department? If so, will you please take it?

#137 By Chelsea P. 9:02p.m. on November 12, 2008

"You passed over the greatness of a man who stared death in its sallow face for over 2,000 days, in the wake of torture by the enemy as motivated by pure, unadulterated evil, for a man in favor of the promotion of the very same evil. You neglected the fortitude of a man brave enough to better himself in the name of service to his country."

This paragraph sounds like it was written in another language and sent through an online translator. How do people who "write" like this get into Yale and stay in? And get published, no less?

#138 By JM 10:22p.m. on November 12, 2008

Penicillin was discovered by a Scottish scientist and developed into use as a medicine by an Australian scientist. Not sure how it's related to American innovation.

#139 By (Anonymous) 2:19a.m. on November 13, 2008

Silence=death is about AIDS yo. Are you seriously saying that being criticized for spewing hate-filled drivel like this is the same as AIDS?

#140 By Luis M. 3:26a.m. on November 13, 2008

funny, but the real acts of morality cannot be claimed by the current administration either.

All of these "harsh' words by the author reminds one of the old addage that these kinds of words are a weak mind trying to assert itself forcefully.

reality has no place for what she believes America should or should not do....maybe she should re-evaluate what she really knows or does not know.

Obama is our president-elect and we should give him a real chance. We tried it one way with Bush and now it's time to let someone else try.

America is a country that is great because it is a 'personification' of the word hope. I am afraid the author's words are a personification of despair. If she feels despair it is because she has'nt really lived that word. Her shallow and superficial mind exists without that much needed life skill of critical thinking.

America is but a dream for people who live in real dispair. For them the reality of an opportunity of being able to speak freely as you have would be a death sentence. They exist in the reality where what you spend on lattes in a month is a monthly salary that must support four people.

In life men & women play their part. Benefit to human kind can only be achieved through positive thoughts and actions. In akido, it is said that the one who takes an action against another has already lost.... a Japanese saying that I invoke at times like these is :'when one comes across someone whose character is inferior; it is time to look inside and remeasure our own.'.....in other word...It is not wise to throw stones when one lives in a glass house.

#141 By Jason S. 8:46a.m. on November 13, 2008

it is not enough to point out the symptoms of the disease. someone must explain to the ignorant sleeping (due to the effects of tv)nasses who, is doing what to whom.

#142 By adam 11:31a.m. on November 13, 2008

Has Ms. Moore been reading a little too much Ayn Rand?

#143 By David S. 12:16p.m. on November 13, 2008

Elizabeth,
Your emotive & unbalanced attack on President-Elect Obama is a bit far-fetched. Greedy fat hands. Indeed.

While your turns of phrase would be welcome in a romance novel or some summer reading, I think you should leave the political reporting to people who don't twist reality & confuse the issues so openly & obviously.

If I was editing your article, it would read, "America elected terrorist communist who will give things to lazy people."

Nothing is further from the truth, & if you had done any reading about economics, Obama's policies, or even spent 30 minutes doing reliable historical research, you'd realize that you've mischaracterized the economic realities of an Obama presidency.

I hope you'll have the courage & maturity to admit you were wrong in four years. If I'm wrong, then I will do the same.

#144 By David S. 1:24p.m. on November 13, 2008

Nobody in their right mind could actually believe this trash. The writer is obviously trying to make a name for herself in the conservative circles. I'm on to you lady, I'm on to you...

#145 By David S. 1:54p.m. on November 13, 2008

Great article gal, hang in there and don't let the left change your mind. You are on the right track.

#146 By bleurgh 3:05p.m. on November 13, 2008

Although this entire article is absurdly nationalistic and generally vomit-worthy, I find the most objectionable point to be your belief that Penicillin was 'invented' in the US. It was discovered in Britain by a British person (or arguably in France although its significance was ignored and its incidence tangential).

Now that we've removed one of your extremely limited achievements of American 'perseverance' perhaps you'll be less dogmatically attached to it. I can't imagine it'll change anything though.

Thank goodness for mortality. You're one of the almost endless number of reasons why I voted for Obama and will do so again in 2012. Assuming your moral outrage doesn't become so unbearable you decide to resort to the typical rightist response and go vigilante.

#147 By John Conkllin 5:05p.m. on November 13, 2008

Elizabeth, I don't know who you are, but this is a very courageous article and you have hit the nail on the head with regards to many issues skimmed over by our wonderful media. Thanks for telling it like it is.

#148 By Ha Ha! 8:53p.m. on November 13, 2008

As conservatives used to say "America, love it or leave it!" So perhaps you should consider a quick exit Lizzy!

P.S. JE? Shouldn't they have assigned you to Calhoun?

#149 By Alex H 9:31a.m. on November 14, 2008

A little bit over the top wouldn't you say? I'm sure the same point could have been expressed with half of the exxagerations (to recieve applause on her penmanship, or penpersonship to be politically correct, I jest). I don't know Elizabeth Moore personally, but if I might make assumptions at the same level she is making. She, being a junior at Yale University, has done nothing to merit any level of respect on my behalf. She graduated from high school three years ago and is still in the regurgitation stage of her parents political perspective. What has she done that is so admirable or honorable that I would pay heed to this self-absorbing person? Has she worked in a factory for 20 years trying to support a family of four? Is she a single mother putting herself through college? Has she served her country in the military or police force? What has she done to judge the Americans that did not vote for John McCain and share her parents' point of view? Judging from her earlier article on the Yale admission process, she is from an aristocratic family and mommy and daddy are paying for her college education.

Had this article had been written by someone like Tammy Duckworth then I could at least say I don't agree with your philosophy but I respect your opinion.

#150 By StupidAmerican 10:58a.m. on November 14, 2008

Stupid Americans...how dare its majority finally vote for the party/candidate that shares the majority of its views and concerns?

#151 By DOC 12:04p.m. on November 14, 2008

Lots of flowery speech and not much content. What little content there was was either false or deliberately incendiary.
I'm pretty sure this article and the comments its spawned were meant to be resume boosters for her application to the FOX network

#152 By RJN 12:56p.m. on November 14, 2008

Is this a joke? If not, it's very hard to believe this tripe was written by a Y student...

#153 By Bob 3:01p.m. on November 14, 2008

Wow! Elizabeth, you really are a Moron.

#154 By Anon 4:18p.m. on November 15, 2008

This girl is an idiot. I wonder how you made it so far as a senior. Clearly, you've gone through Yale but Yale hasn't gone through you- close minded brat.

#155 By Jose Abreu 12:19p.m. on November 26, 2008

Dear Madam,

You have a very negative and extreme view of the world. The man hasn't even started working and you're already jumping to extreme conclusions.

Also, as you have said in other places regarding how America is going to become one giant soup kitchen, if that were to happen it would be because of Obama's predecessor.

Thank you,
Jose Abreu

#156 By EK 12:30a.m. on December 16, 2008

Excellent article.

#157 By NP 9:57p.m. on April 9, 2009

Thank you, Elizabeth Moore, for embarrassing other Yale students with your crappy writing

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