Conservatives: Without a voice?
Conservatives at Yale have little to look forward to these days. Feeling stigmatized and silenced, some are searching for a community of peers, and not finding what they are looking for in Yale’s debating societies. Will these closet conservatives find their safe haven, or will they remain a silent minority?
On the eve of the inauguration, three young women are lounging in their fourth-floor Saybrook suite after dinner. As they sink into their couches, the conversation turns to politics. A stuffed elephant sits on a fireplace mantle above their heads.
“It’s just a...
Ah, the crusading undergraduate reporter recapitulating the tired story of the Yale conservative toiling in obscurity and subservient to his traditions. That, at least, as a Yale alum used to say, is enough to keep liberals busy, Republicans at bay, and the nation free, or some such thing.
Indeed, God and Man at Yale was about how Yale was too liberal; what Buckley would have wanted was for Yale to actively promote Christianity and free markets. Yale was of course orders of magnitude more conservative, pro-market and pro-religion back then than it is now.
All conservatives need to do is stop trying to control basic human desires and develop some good ideas for the economy, rather than protecting a few favored industries. Look to Buckley as a model rather than Limbaugh and Coulter. Good luck!
I think it's deeply ironic that this apparent 'defense of conservatism' is really very clear about the sources of conservatism's decline at Yale: as soon as the university stopped being all-white and all-privileged, the university turned liberal. Isn't that telling us something about conservatism rather than about Yale?
that's a bit of a post hoc fallacy don't you think? so yale becomes more diverse, therefore conservatism in the university disappears? would you be surprised to know that many of these "all-white, all-privileged" are, in fact, often liberal and many of those individuals who add "diversity" to campus are in some cases much more conservative? Furthermore, what are you implying that this is "telling us something about conservatism"? Because some of those white-and-privileged were conservative, we should now consider conservatism as elitist and out-of-date? Perhaps some of them upheld a perverse form of conservatism, though many did not. In any case, it is not smart to through out the entire ideology because a group of people who represent something you may dislike or fear once clung to it. The ideology itself is much bigger, stronger, and should always be heard.
Forget "conservatism," please. It has been, operationally, de facto, Godless and therefore irrelevant. Secular conservatism will not defeat secular liberalism because to God both are two atheistic peas-in-a-pod and thus predestined to failure. As Stonewall Jackson's Chief of Staff R.L. Dabney said of such a humanistic belief more than 100 years ago:
"[Secular conservatism] is a party which never conserves anything. Its history has been that it demurs to each aggression of the progressive party, and aims to save its credit by a respectable amount of growling, but always acquiesces at last in the innovation. What was the resisted novelty of yesterday is today .one of the accepted principles of conservatism; it is now conservative only in affecting to resist the next innovation, which will tomorrow be forced upon its timidity and will be succeeded by some third revolution; to be denounced and then adopted in its turn. American conservatism is merely the shadow that follows Radicalism as it moves forward towards perdition. It remains behind it, but never retards it, and always advances near its leader. This pretended salt bath utterly lost its savor: wherewith shall it be salted? Its impotency is not hard, indeed, to explain. It is worthless because it is the conservatism of expediency only, and not of sturdy principle. It intends to risk nothing serious for the sake of the truth."
Our country is collapsing because we have turned our back on God (Psalm 9:17) and refused to kiss His Son (Psalm 2).
John Lofton, Editor, TheAmericanView.com
Recovering Republican
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Yale wasn't always conservative just because it was white and male. The 1945 Yale yearbook (I think... the one with George Bush senior's baseball photo in it) has a student survey of political views and you'd be surprised what you find there...
@ yale '12
I'm just suggesting that's what follows from the article, I'm not at all sure it's really the case.
The article shows how bigoted and downright dumb academia has become. The Professor who can id a conservative a mile away, the members who think dressing like George Will and displaying props like overpriced liquor is not what a conservative be. And instead of having an inane debate title "Tear down the picket fences" seems more of a title for the Yale Rep. Perhaps a debate on Aynn Rand might be more appropriate, or what goes first the Buying a Home or having a good job to pay for said Home? If Yale does not have an a balanced faculty and student body what will its future alumni become a teachers college or training school for democratic party politicians and there lackeys? I recall an article in YDN titled "Should Yale be Free." with the endowment dropping how’s that going? How about all those projects being put on hold? And will these future progressives be as generous with their alumni donations? Final thought; Did Christopher Buckley's invite to speak at Class day been put in the mail only after he stayed from the reservation in the last weeks of the 08 election?
There are liberal universities all over the country, yet in so many of them, a conservative opposition flourishes. If there can be a viable conservative movement at Berkeley (and there is), there can be a viable conservative movement anywhere. Yale conservative organizations need to reexamine their culture, structure, and methods of operation. They can do better if they try, but not without being willing to recognize that not all traditions are created equal and adapt to the situation they currently find themselves in.
It seems that to pass liberal muster, you need to enthusiastically support homosexuality. If we can't support normal, traditional concepts of human sexuality, how about neutrality: No gay pride days, just as we have no official gay shame days.
I have never felt more persecuted for being a conservative in my entire life than I did when I was at Yale-- especially by some of my professors. There was one instance in my Social Psychology class (PSYC150) on racism and other stereotypes when the professor asked, "Can you think of latent examples of other stereotypes, examples that don't always come to mind immediately?" The first few answers addressed sexism or ageism, and the professor took a few minutes to talk about each example as it was put forth... until I raised my hand.
Professor: "Yes, next example?"
Me: "There's a strong bias at Yale against conservatives."
Suddenly, I could feel the piercing glares of my fellow students, the shifting and fidgeting in seats and a sudden deepening in the silence in Davies Auditorium.
Professor: "Oh really? And... uh... what is that bias??"
Me: "Mostly that conservatives are stupid."
Professor: "Oh, ok. Anyone else?"
No one mentioned it anymore for the rest of that class. I wonder why?
I have never felt more uncomfortable in my life than I did that day. So much for our proud claims of tolerance and diversity... it's a tolerance that is extended to everyone but conservatives.
Some people like having pride for their identities. We have days like the 4th of July when we flaunt our patriotism, holidays like Kwanzaa that were created to celebrate African-American identity. To ban someone from expressing their pride is akin to enforcing a "gay shame day."
That said, why must liberals "support" (whatever that means) homosexuality? Everyone is an individual and subscribes to his own ideology. I am gay, but I am much more conservative than you might expect.
In summary: everyone should have the right to express his own pride/beliefs. I can express gay pride and identify as "conservative"; you can be "liberal" and not like homosexuality. Done!
The average blue collar American does not like the Ivy League. We are sick of your holier than thou attitude and we rue the day we may run into one of you scum sucking privileged crap buckets. One day the common man will take the reins of this nation and bring back the prominence of the people by the people. Not of the people by the Ivy League. All of our "wonderful" leaders come from your halls and nothing more awful could be said about the product your trash machine spits out. Good Riddance to you all.
Oh by the way to the webmaster thanks for the spell check.
this is the state of liberals now
Pelozi and reid are stiffling americans right to "Patriotic dissent"
to cough use a liberal traitors terms.
Liberals can get away with murder now.
Liberals can get away with lying
Cheating, robbery , racism the list is endless.
Liberals cannot stand though when anyone deares to question the GAG Messiah..
Liberls and obama will be the end of this nation..
we wont survive 4 months with obama in charge..
Pretty soon the liberals will begin
to round up americans and to let all the islamic terrorists walk free.
It's a shame how intolerant "liberals" have shut down freedom of thought and expression at Yale to the point where ideas cannot be expressed. I'll be looking for a more "progressive" university to send my children too.
I work in the Fraud. The company I work for has nothing but homeosexuals and females in the Mid-Management Positions. I am gay and on the conservative right. I know your pain!
A degree from a university with such little balance is not worth the paper on which it is printed. What passes for education is simple indoctrination. Ivy League schools are vastly over-rated, as once confided in me by a Harvard MBA. I would never send my daughter to such a worthless bunch of schools.
I saw all of this when I got my degrees from the University of California. It made me sick and very sad.
Basically liberalism has become a dangerous movement filled with hysteria and stupidity, run by looters and second-handers that have no real skills, except to knock normal people.
Interesting how liberal policy and ideas were once the butt of a joke. Sadly, many of those policies are now the law of the land, or at least they probably soon will be.
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You poor ignorant empty children. Hearing the sad slide such a once great school has now taken, I'm reminded of the old classic, " Less Than Zero." You wise conservatives should be PROUDLY making known your positions. YOU are the smart ones. YOU are the ones who think in a TIMELESS manner. Those other less than zeros are nothing and mean nothing. They are the weak ones, who've been so easily brainwashed by a handful of possessed dummies in the far left medias. They have no opinion of their own. Only that which has been "socially engineered" into them by other empty ignorant blank people. Most of them come from empty homes just like in the novel. Rejoice in your wisdom ... and stay far from them ... lest you begin to care what they've been programmed to think of you !!!
If fair debates are allowed to take place than conservatives have nothing to worry about. Liberals have no ability to win them.
Bimpar, i hope that you don't go to yale. If you do your parents are wasting their money. Conservatives have all the right answers on the economy!Give people back their money! duh! And the rest of you liberals are going to be in for a surprise in 4 yrs(or less) Your "messiah" is a lying fake. Just look at all the broken promises already.Liberals live in a world of vapid ideals. Reality smacks them upside the head, and their too dumb to realize it. Iran will eat obamas lunch, and ultimately we will have to go to war, because of this "manchild" you elected.
As a conservative who DIDN'T join the YPU for the very reasons listed in the article, I can say that the YPU - not conservatives - have the real problem to deal with. YPU parties are too esoteric, too subcultured, and too bizarre for any normal person to deal with.
The comments posted by so-called "conservatives" in response to this article make it obvious why those who are intelligent and reasoned enough to get into Yale would not identify with such illogical statements.
"Iran will eat obamas lunch, and ultimately we will have to go to war, because of this "manchild" you elected."
"Pretty soon the liberals will begin
to round up americans and to let all the islamic terrorists walk free."
Really, now?
But on the other hand, the conservatives I have met at Yale are far more reasoned and thoughtful about their views. As someone who personally identifies with liberal ideology, I respect conservatives who are able to back up their opinions with facts and logic rather than the ad hom attacks and petty insults that litter this comment thread.
So Yale conservatives are afraid to be openly consrvative! Get a spine!! Just the other day I was around some liberals and one in snotty voice asked "What are you ? A conservative?" I responded by looking the little twerp right in the eye and said "Yeah! You got a problem with that!"
He twitched and shut his mouth!
It's amazing that Roosevelt is alluded to as a conservative when his policies and actions as President certainly are are not conservative! But, hey, if his class was rich and white, then they must be conservative! Think we're being politically dishonest and possibly short-sided here.
YA, YOU LIBS CAN TALK THE TALK, BUT YOU CAN'T WALK THE WALK!! MOST OF YOU HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED. YOU GOT YOUR DICTATOR IN THE WHITE HOUSE WITH ALL HIS TAX CHEATERS. PESONALLY IF I HAD MY WAY, I WOULD AUDIT THE DEMS. AND REPLUBICANS. THEIR ALL A BUNCH OF CROOKS. YA, THE BIG SHOT DEMS WANTED THE REPLUBILCANS TO JOIN THE ON THE 1ST BAIL OUT SO THEY WOULDN'T GET ALL THE BLAME. IT'S NOT WORKING ON THE 2ND ONE !! TRY THINKING FOR YOURSELF, LISTEN TO THE TRUTH. RUSH,SAVAGE,HANITY,BECK. MAYBE YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH. BY THE WAY, I'M NOT A MEMBER OF THE DEM. OR REP. PARTY AND NEVER WILL BE.
I guess they can't teach you to grow a pair in college.
The problem with most of you leftists is that you are belligerent, rude, condescending and display an arrogant lack of regard for any opinion other than one based upon your own self-serving, hypocritical, socialist set of ideals. You elitist frauds are obstructionists who are an integral part of a continuing crisis and not a solution. Go ahead and mock with your lies and deceit, for you will always be a negative force within this world; one that breeds disdain and embellishes the future, yet undone, evil deeds of others, perhaps some even done by yourself.
You neo-socialists have attempted to create a climate that inhibits the free expression of pro-American ideals and conservative thinking. I will never be seduced by your seductive increase-the-peace rhetoric. I will never be intimidated by your anti-American trash talk. And I will never be fooled by your lies and deceit. You will never succeed in your vain attempt to manipulate or squelch my thoughts and ideas or my American patriotism.
Today’s liberal is well defined.
Most liberal concepts and implemented strategies come straight from the Communist Manifesto wrapped in the paper-thin rhetoric of justness and fairness. But, it is you liberals who, for the most part, are too ignorant and unschooled to even realize it.
You, of the neo-Marxist left, are relentless in your assault against the pillars of America. If it weren’t so serious, you leftist's and your utopian ideals would be laughable. Your ideology has been a complete failure. Liberalism’s end result is corrosive to the very nature of the individual freedom the United States of America was founded upon. Again, due to sheer ignorance and a willingness to distort the truth, the average liberal doesn’t have a clear concept of what individual freedom consists of, or how it is properly derived. One thing is certain, individual rights are not found in the collective sense of socialism. History proves -again and again- that well-intentioned liberal programs, plans and ideas, often lead to disastrous results. The Marx/Engels derived ideology dances on the fringe of compassion and the jagged border of anarchy. Liberalism’s twisted logic and revolutionary zeal plague America and our cherished institutions. Like a cancer, liberalism threatens to destroy us from within. Liberalism exposes the tenets of socialism, not democracy!
The blatant ignorance displayed by today’s liberal is obscene. The fact of the matter is there is nothing liberal about you; you are illiberal in every sense of the word. Liberalism is a debilitating disease of the mind: it renders the backbone soft and blinds the eyes with distortion. Victims of this disease generally revert to a primitive herd mentality where you desire and seek comfort from other like-minded people. Together, you produce exaggerated conspiracies in a self-serving attempt to wage an intellectual quasi-war against an imaginary enemy. At this time, there is no known cure.
The bitter fruit of liberalism has produced a bumper crop of homegrown traitors. While Islamo-fascists try to cut the jugular within our neck, the ACLU, the National Lawyers Guild, and other radical left-wing organizations -along with you, their miserable minions- are stabbing us in the throat. Liberals openly challenge our elected government, compromise our national security, and strip America of her bed rock Judeo-Christian identity. As a whole, you leftists refuse to squarely face the at-hand threat of radical Islam and effectively deal with it in a head on manner. No, you want to pretend it is a benign culture difference and is more or less on the same plain as Christianity, and that all we really need to do to diffuse their stated hatred toward us is to be more tolerant, diverse, and broaden our scope of understanding.
The failed policies of liberalism may chip away at our basic foundation, but it enables others, who are far more dangerous, to do much worse – KILL.
Hey, for all of you supposed “civil libertarians” out there; libertarian refers to freedom, not despotism and cultural destruction!
The right to protest is one of the cherished freedoms protected by our Constitution. But there is a difference between protesting a point of view and intentionally working to disrupt and intimidate those with whom you disagree. The progressive movement attempts to intimidate and instills fear in an attempt to silence all opposing points of view. To them (you), the only good America is a crippled America. That is why you hate our military, our moral foundations, independence and sovereignty, and strength of character. And because of your hate of our conservative ideals, your fringe elements utilize media coverage to stab our troops in the back.
You liberals are prisoners. You live in a cage where liberal ideas –and only liberal ideas– are expressed. I suppose it is possible for many of you to never meet or listen to anybody outside of your own circle of like-minded liberals. And if there is a dissenting opinion raised within your cloistered environment, the person offering that opinion is generally laughed at and mocked for being an eccentric fundamentalist radical throwback from a more primitive time.
In the end, your intolerance is actually a reflection of your loss of clarity; your tolerance of virtually everything and your “anything goes” attitude is not a mark of liberalism, it’s a mark of the degeneration of your ability to judge anything.
The more you on the left scream about racism, homophobia, sexism, bigotry, no war for oil, Bush lied, Cheney/Halliburton, Islam is a peaceful religion, US imperialism, etcetera, the more I know that you are nothing more than a parrot in a cage mimicking what you’ve been taught. As such, you are a product of our society. You have been brainwashed since childhood from the left-wing garbage on TV, from what they indoctrinated you with in school, and from behaviors applauded in the upper institutions of “supposed" higher learning, i.e., Columbia, Yale, Harvard. A victim, you most certainly are!
History will soon prove that you, the neo-Marxist left, were nothing more than obstructionists to a more-free, civilized world.
MEN OF AMERICA:
Stop the madness! IT IS your voice, your smarts, your grandfathers that wrote the laws, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, The Declaration of Independence! Woman has lost her place in society and has become a Jezebel/Vashti.
If you keep listening to these leftists dictate to you, and NOT speak out, you will only have yourself to blame. What have you to lose at this point?
Nothing!
Everything is for gain by standing up like your fathers before you did, they stood AGAINST tyranny and said:
"Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death!", "I regret that I have but one life to give for my country!", "We have not yet begun to fight!"
Now, NOW is the time, to stop the madness of this leftism that has infiltrated, and root it OUT by standing up!
"Men don't follow titles, they follow courage."
(Character of Wallace in Braveheart)
"Men, what we do in life, ECHOES in Eternity!" -Gladiator.
SAVE THIS NATION.
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Always easy to figure out when the non-Yale crowd shows up: discussion goes down the tubes and EVERYTHING IS IN CAPS. Sheesh.
This is all symptomatic of the sad fact that (unless it's hard science) today's "education" at Yale is complete garbage - nothing more than indoctrination.
Given this current Yale climate, it should be no surprise that the Yale Free Press (a student written, conservative newspaper) gets regularly stolen en masse to prevent it from circulating.
"It was during this era, after all, that William F. Buckley Jr. ’50 became the chairman of the News."
Yes, but didn't he then write a book essentially about how Yale was too liberal?